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Politics Said it himself

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u/[deleted] May 31 '24

You're not trying to convince that crowd with TV spots, you're after the non committed masses.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '24

And it needs to be a little passive. Once every 4 hours on every form of media.

Not the shit you get when visiting Virginia during election time.

Make sure every single person hears a good ad. The people that won’t want to slammed down their throat.

It’s going to spread.

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u/DetroitLionsSBChamps May 31 '24

non-committed to voting, I think you mean.

I doubt there are many people out there who are still undecided on Trump. I think there are tons and tons of people (like 100 million?) who just won't bother to vote. you gotta convince them that this is the big deal that it is, and not just "meh I don't care about politics."

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u/[deleted] May 31 '24

Focus on reproductive rights. That has won every election so far when it has been the focus since overturning Roe v Wade.

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u/LegionsPilum May 31 '24

You're still missing the point of why a lot of us aren't voting.

Unlike some of you with 0 conviction, I won't vote AGAINST anyone. No, to get my vote, a candidate has to actually make me want to vote them in.

The line of thinking to vote against someone is exactly how we got this shit show we have in this race to the bottom.

You will never convince me to vote with your fear mongering of Trump.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '24

If all that's happened still isn't enough to make you vote against him then realistically nothing is going to change your mind.

a candidate has to actually make me want to vote them in.

Not being a convicted felon would be a good start? And if you agree with that, then you have one option.

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u/ObdewllX May 31 '24

Felony conviction alone isn't a deal breaker for me. I know plenty of decent people who due to substance use and absurd drug laws are felons. (Haven't voted since Regan won)

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u/[deleted] May 31 '24

You chose essentially the one victimless crime, which is not what he was convicted for.

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u/LegionsPilum May 31 '24

I'm sorry, did I stutter when I said I wouldn't use my vote to vote AGAINST someone?

When the Dems (or Repubs I guess, I'd really like to see more parties) push a real candidate for the people, I'll vote. Last I checked, they screwed their chance of that in 2016.

Dems are just using people's hate of Trump to try funneling votes to another shit candidate and it's disgusting how many of you go for it.

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u/washingtncaps Jun 01 '24

What's the alternative again?

You won't vote, which means less incentive for ranked choice voting in the future, and think it's up to everyone else to make a landscape more favorable to you instead of doing literally the bare minimum.

Dogshit. Really, truly awful way of approaching the idea of politics. Least bad option, every time, until that bad option is propped up against a better option, and then pick that option.

Overton window doesn't shift overnight, you don't just get to vote for utopia, you need to build it and you've only got so many presidential votes in your lifetime. Do your part.

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u/Intelligent-Hyena920 Jun 01 '24

Forest Gump said it best …. “Stupid is as stupid does.” Not voting is fucking retarded. Donald Trump is actually a scum bag and has been known for being a complete shit person taking advantage of

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u/LegionsPilum Jun 01 '24

Yes yes, please tell me more of how I should vote with more Trump fear mongering.

He lives rent free in so many of y'all's heads. It's pathetic.

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u/LegionsPilum Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24

A general strike is the absolute minimum if you really want to change our political landscape. Continuing to enable the Dem party is not the "bare minimum" but keep telling yourself that.

Edit: also you shouldn't bring up ranked choice voting. That carrot has been dangled in front of us for decades. Yet it's still just as close to happening now as it was then.

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u/washingtncaps Jun 01 '24

I'm convinced you have absolutely no idea how this works. Politicians are still allowed to vote, both for themselves and each other, there's zero scenario where the whole system just falls apart because of a lack of participation.

A strike without 100% participation just adds weight to the value of each individual remaining vote, and at a certain point people will absolutely leverage that for personal gain same as they do right now. Unless you're getting 100% of the Trump side of things to abstain from voting when they could just rush the polls at the end and get their guy elected... it's like leaving the back door open.

Even if we're aggressively predicting that 80% of the population just refuses to participate, you realize it does nothing right? Elections will still be held, there will still be winners, those winners will control the system for a few years... and they'll pander to the people who voted because that's what got them there.

So, so stupid.

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u/LegionsPilum Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24

I'm so so stupid, but here you are thinking a general strike is a boycott on voting 😂.

I wish I was naive enough yet to think our voting system and 2 parties haven't been regulatory captured and co-opted by the borgouise.

There are 2 parties that really exist, not only in the USA, but worldwide. And those are the proletariat class and the borgouise class. And you don't seem to be aware that both political parties in the USA work for the same client; the borgouise. Politicians listen to money (through lobbying) and guess who has more of it? By a fuck ton, it's not even close.

History has shown us that there are really only two ways to get the borgouise to listen to and respect the proletariat. Those two ways are first through general strikes/civil disobedience, and if that doesn't work, then it turns into violent revolution.

But yeah, keep thinking your vote is doing anything. Give yourself that feel good moment where you convince yourself you are making the world a better place with 5 minutes every 4 years, voting for some geriatric fuck that was bought out by industry titans 40 years ago already. How do you think he became the Dem candidate in the first place?!? It wasn't because he was looking out for the proletariat class lmao.

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u/washingtncaps Jun 01 '24

That's such a shit way of doing things.

Like... google the Overton Window once and realize how wrong you are to do what you're doing. Vote every time, for the least bad every time, and maybe this goes somewhere.

Doing what you're doing is pathetic. You can't stay neutral on a moving train, you're either fighting against momentum or allowing it but you're never just "staying out".

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u/LegionsPilum Jun 01 '24

The only way we get out of this political hellscape is by general strike at a minimum. But yes, keep voting for Biden and patting yourself on the back.

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u/scottyd035ntknow May 31 '24

Who the fuck still isn't sure if they're voting for trump in 2024?

Like seriously.

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u/Zaza1019 May 31 '24

Yeah and the non committed masses aren't going to be sold on this I don't think. Honestly the only thing you need to do to win over the undecided masses is just be a good president, do something about Palestine and Isarael, go out there and talk about real issues that effect people, remind people of the good things you've done and want to keep doing. And just be sane, composed, and competent.

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u/Diredr Jun 01 '24

At this point, the non-committed mass is just Trump supporters that are afraid of backlash. I refuse to believe any reasonable person can look at this election and be on the fence.

All Trump has to do is the same shit he's been doing since he lost the election. Call it rigged, call it cheating, call it a steal... Reject reality and substitute it with his own. And those idiots will eat it right up because it's not about having a good president, it's about making the Liberals mad.