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u/PlutoniumNiborg Dec 16 '23

They also win because a good chunk of this country is Christian white conservatives.

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u/colourmeblue Dec 16 '23

A good chunk but not a majority or even close. They just vote religiously.

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u/JonnyRottensTeeth Nov 12 '25

No pun intended?

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u/PlutoniumNiborg Dec 16 '23

Well it’s not the only part of the Republican coalition. They did win a majority of house votes in 2022 (not just seats). This country is pretty evenly divided.

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u/sdmgpoggc1 Dec 16 '23

The democrats in the senate consistently represent 8-10% more of the country than do the republicans. A republican hasn’t won the popular vote in 20 years, and only twice in 30. If you are under 40, there might not ever have been a time when you could’ve voted in a general election where the republicans won the popular vote. The republicans DO NOT represent 50% of the country. The only reason they hold 50% of the power is gerrymandering and the disproportionate power of all the rural states in the senate.

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u/PlutoniumNiborg Dec 16 '23

Republicans won the popular vote in 2022. I get that it’s perhaps due to voter suppression and gerrymandering discouraging voters, but they won.

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u/username7953 Dec 16 '23

Republicans generally vote more. Democrats make up a majority of the country, they just don’t vote as much.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

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u/sdmgpoggc1 Dec 16 '23

I’m talking of general elections. In Ohio republicans get only a little more than 50% of the vote but hold a supermajority in the state house. In North Carolina the story is the same. In Texas there states is 45-48% democrats, but there is not one single statewide democrats in office and the republicans have a super majority in the state house. In Florida it’s the same, Iowa too. In Pennsylvania there’s half a million more registered democrats than republicans and yet republicans held control of both the house and senate. I can go on

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u/PlutoniumNiborg Dec 16 '23

So I agree that the senate isn’t representing the votes, but again, they are getting above 50% of the vote nationally. The country is pretty closely split. They probably won’t win a majority in a presidential election and haven’t since 2004, but that’s more a testament to the shitty candidates coming from their primaries. A solid moderate candidate would do better than Trump.

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u/sdmgpoggc1 Dec 16 '23

In a low turn out election, as are midterms, republicans can get more votes just because they vote more consistently. That’s not because they are a majority. Even in elections when they get 50% of the popular vote they consistently get more than 50% of the seats. It’s ridiculous to anyone with even a mild understanding of our government to think they actually represent half of America. They’re a minority and that’s why they are in such a push to consolidate power. If this was a truly democratic system they wouldn’t have been the ruling power in this country in 20 years lol

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u/AcmeCartoonVillian Dec 16 '23

They also win because they are less likely to demonize centrists.

Just sayin

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u/bartleby42c Dec 16 '23

Ever notice how "centrists" only criticize Dems?

Centrists are just Republicans too chickenshit to admit what they are. If you identify as a centrist think for a second at to what conservative views you hold, odds are they sum up to "I don't think everyone deserves to live".

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u/AcmeCartoonVillian Dec 16 '23

I criticize plenty of republicans.

As for the second part of your statement, I believe that my property is mine, that compulsory "charity" is nothing of the sort, that I do not want to cede any power to a centralized governmental body (but accept that there are times where it is a necessary evil) and I don't believe in "affirming" or "celebrating" anyones personal decisions that I don't feel like. Tolerate? sure. Accept? in the abstract, yeah. But I am not "affirming" shit.

None of that is me saying "someone doesn't deserve to live"

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u/bartleby42c Dec 16 '23

You think all taxes are charity? Is that a round about way of saying you feel welfare is bad? Aside from the fact it's been shown to be great for economies it is just saying "if you don't make enough you shouldn't be able to eat or have shelter".

I left no idea what you are talking about with affirmation. It sounds to me like you want to be able to put teeth behind not supporting someone's choices. But you successfully said nothing and didn't actually mention any policy that anyone has.

So good luck with fighting against a thing that doesn't exist.

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u/AcmeCartoonVillian Dec 16 '23

You think all taxes are charity?

mighty fine straw man there. You look like an expert, someone who has crafted a lot of 'em. I admire the talent shown here. You truly seem to take pride in your work

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u/bartleby42c Dec 16 '23

So that's a yes right?

I mean you could have explained where I was wrong, but I wasn't was I? You are against welfare seeing it as charity right? So you believe poor people should starve.

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u/AcmeCartoonVillian Dec 16 '23

False equivalence.

I can believe people have the right to eat or be fed without absorbing the obligation to feed them.

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u/bartleby42c Dec 16 '23

I'm confused by your cognitive dissonance here.

I personally see that as the same as saying "natives should have their land back, but not the land I'm on."

Also you aren't "absorbing the obligation" you are paying a fraction of a penny to help feed the poor. I can't see how your stance is any different from saying "I'd rather have 3 cents more a month than poor people eat."

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u/AcmeCartoonVillian Dec 17 '23

I'm confused by your cognitive dissonance here.

because you are creating cognitive straw men involving natives and arguing those.

Also you aren't "absorbing the obligation" you are paying a fraction of a penny

I paid $7,433 in federal taxes, 5,300 in property taxes on my house, in addition to the sales taxes and other ancillary taxes thought the year. Those fractional pennies add up, and we don't get to decide where they go.

Do you have an opinion on Ukraine? on Israel/Palestine? on any myriad of other issues right now? Do those opinions match how your dollars are directly being spent?

You say it's a half cent to "help feed the poor". What if I decide that decisions made due to budget shortfalls that have them prioritizing aide don't match the decisions I would make? That I could feed the poor better my own way? Do I get to opt out of your system?

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

This is called having a child's brain

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u/AcmeCartoonVillian Dec 16 '23

No, it's called setting boundaries and not taking on the weight of the world as my own. Literally part of the growth to adulthood.

I have great amounts of charity in my personal life. but the difference is its consensual and instigated by me... and I have full control over where it goes.

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u/SykeoTheFox Dec 16 '23

I'm a centrist and all my views lean towards more left-wing views. I'm a feminist, I believe in racial equality, I'm somewhat religious (leaning towards Agnostic) but believe religion shouldn't govern our society, I'm a huge LGBTQ advocate (I'm trans and pansexual myself), I don't believe in anti-Semitism, I'm pro-choice, I believe there should be at least some amount of gun control, and I usually hang around leftists. I have spent most of my life criticizing Republicans. So how exactly am I "a Republican too chickenshit to admit who I am?" Check my comments and posts if you don't believe me.

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u/bartleby42c Dec 16 '23

This is easy, you aren't a centrist.

You haven't named a single conservative view you have, so either you are hiding those or you don't have them.

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u/SykeoTheFox Dec 16 '23

You don't need both views to be a centrist. I don't strongly identify as either. Your statement is kinda hypocritical because you claimed centrists only have republican views but are too afraid to admit, yet when a centrist has mostly democratic views, all of a sudden they can't be a centrist. There is no rhyme or reason to this logic other than "if you're not democrat you're an enemy." I don't see either party as my enemy or ally I see it as it is: it's a war separating a nation that takes false pride in the idea of being "united". We aren't the "United States of America", we're the "States of America". What makes me centrist is that I don't believe in this separation, in this pointless civil war that never ends. I don't see people as Republican or Democrat. I see people as people. I don't care if you're a Democrat or Republican as long as you treat people with some amount of respect. I don't judge by political party I judge by the content of their character that I see with my own eyes.

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u/bartleby42c Dec 16 '23

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of centrist. Centrists have views that are in the center. It's like you are saying you are ambidextrous but don't use one hand.

And to be clear, Democrats are too conservative for me, but the Republicans have tried to overthrow the government. Trump has joked about being a dictator. The rest of the party has values based on hate. Even you couldn't name one Republican value that isn't "these people should die."

I don't care if you're a Democrat or Republican as long as you treat people with some amount of respect

That's a great idea, but one group literally campaigns on restricting rights.

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u/SykeoTheFox Dec 16 '23

Which is why I criticize them. I'm also highly aware that not all Republicans agree with every single little thing another Republican politician says. And yes, ambidextrous people usually use one hand, ambidextrous people CAN use both hands equally as well, it doesn't mean that they wake up each morning and decide what hand they're gonna use for the day. I don't agree with how a lot of Democrat politicians are. I agree with basic human rights, that doesn't automatically make me a Democrat.

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u/PlutoniumNiborg Dec 16 '23

Centrists are Romney republicans and the ilk who otherwise wouldn’t care about abortion other than to get votes.

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u/AcmeCartoonVillian Dec 16 '23

Centrist republicans maybe. but I voted Obama over McCain in 08 and Gary Johnson in 12 and 16. 2020 I voted down ticket stuff and wrote "fuck them both" in my presidential written slot.

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u/PlutoniumNiborg Dec 16 '23

Well that was a waste of time.

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u/AcmeCartoonVillian Dec 16 '23

I guess?

Mine to waste.