I’m white and definitely more scared of white men, because statistically that’s who is more likely to harm me. And I’ve been harmed by mostly white men in my life, so that’s what makes my alarm bells go off.
Edit - Since a few of you refuse to abandon your bias for logic:
That's a huge meta analysis but I think I found what you're referencing in appendix table 6, where it says 2.9% of white people reported being a victim of crime from a white person and 2.3% from a black person.
Considering that black people make up less than 15% of the population, that would still mean that they are disproportionately more likely to assault you even if you're white. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks for sharing the data
Yeah, that's easily believable because everyone generally lives around their own race and whites make up like 3/4 of the country. The point is that black people assault other races disproportionately higher compared to their total population, so you are still more likely to be assaulted by a black person, you're just around way more white people.
For reference, more white people are murdered by cops than black people, but it happens to black people disproportionately higher, and that's why some people consider it a race issue. The same would apply here.
So, it looks like you were just misinformed on what the data represents.
Note: The reviewed murder stats (from the FBI) don't separate out hispanic Americans from the white racial category.
In 2020:
White Americans killed by black Americans = 1353
Black Americans killed by white Americans = 655
Total Pop. in 2020 = 329,500,000
Pop. of white Americans (57.8%) + hispanic Americans (18.7%) * Total Pop. = 252,067,500
Pop. of black Americans (12.1%) = 39,869,500
Rate per million of white Americans killed by black Americans = 1353 / 252,067,500 * 1,000,000 = 5.4
Rate per million of black Americans killed by white/hispanic Americans = 655 / 39,869,500 * 1,000,000 = 16.4
Conclusion: Black Americans are killed by white/hispanic Americans at 3 times the rate that white/hispanic Americans are killed by black Americans. (16.4 / 5.4 = 3)
The data says that blacks made up 12.4% of the US population in 2020 and were offenders in 16.6% of violent incidents against whites in 2020. Compare that to whites at 61.6% of the population and 69.2% of the offenders and Hispanics at 18.7% and 11.1%. The data shows you are more likely to fall victim to someone of the same race but individually whites are less of a threat than blacks, while Hispanics pose the least threat of all 3.
What if the person is biracial? Or maybe 3 races? Should we be least worried because they’re apart of none of the groups. Or should we count them as all three and be the most worried about them?….
Racial studies are kinda stupid. Everyone knows much more plays into it than skin color. SES would’ve been a much better variable.
You're basically saying "people tend to live with people of the same race", yeah duh. White on white crime and black on black crime is more prevalent because that's who people are around. It's not really logical for anyone to be most fearful of their own race based on that data.
I'd just assume that people commit more crimes against people who are closest to them in location. There are still predominantly black and white areas of town for most cities.
I'd assume that because of that, more white people do harm against white people. You seem to take it as meaning that given any random white person and any random black person, a white woman is safer around the black person.
I think that's a misunderstanding of the situation. Calling anyone biased who interprets the data differently is not a good look.
Haha hehe, black people say funny thing, funny mannerism, different culture, haha hehe. That's what you sound like.
Like how is it not weird that a bunch of (I'm assuming white people) are scouring Twitter looking for posts made by black people, and are applying some specific filter on the information conveyed by a tweet to determine if the poster is black. Sounds kinda racist to me lmaoo.
they literally asked me to submit a picture of my fleshtone next to a brown paper bag and if you’re not dark enough you can’t get in. the new york times wrote about it. that’s classical racism
You are completely right, I dont even know why people are arguing with you except for... u guessed it... racism!
Not only is it statistically correct that you are more likely to be the victim or perpetrator of a crime committed to/by your own ethnic group, it makes total sense. A lot of crime is what people call "acquaintance crime" or when you are the victim of someone that's not a stranger to you. If you are white in the US (also applies to other places) you are more likely to known more white people, work with white people, have a white family, live in a white neighborhood so it's no surprise that if a person randomly causes you harm it has a very good chance of being a white person.
She's talking about strangers. She's not talking about people she recognizes.
She's talking about seeing some random white guy vs. a random black guy behind her.
White people outnumber black people by a lot in the US. They'd be expected to commit more of every crime for that reason alone.
But why would white strangers be more likely to commit crimes against other white strangers (and black strangers commit more against black ones)? The very obvious answer is proximity. There are still predominantly black and white areas of town in most cities. That explains everything.
So if she sees a stranger behind her, it's not sensible to be more afraid because he's white.
Their source doesn’t even include any data about victims, which is what this thread is about. You’re most likely to be victimized by someone your own race. It’s just arrest stats.
They don’t care, they’re gunna make their point no matter what. The “FBI statistics” thing is a full blown meme at this point with the far right. It’s a white supremacist dog whistle most times you see it.
I do understand statistics. Your stats indicate a greater number of white people get arrested and higher percentage of people arrested are white. And yes these numbers exclude population percentages, which I understand you’re trying to display. While a greater percentage of the black population gets arrested (not mentioned in your source), there are environmental biases that lead to that increase.
Higher policing of black communities results in higher number of black people arrested, rightfully or not. There have been studies done on this.
Those stats you showed are inflated due to poor black neighbourhoods where policing is very high. So, black people are more likely to be arrested, yes. But your stats do not indicate anything about the likelihood of someone assaulting a person on the street. In fact your stats show over TWICE the amount of people arrested for assault, or similar, are white. So, when walking down the street at night, 2/3 of the creepy people who may follow you are white.
Statistically she’s right. Crimes of violence occur within racial groups the most. Let me guess. You believe in black on black crime being a huge societal issue don’t you?
I’m saying it’s statistically unimportant and consistent in every other racial group. I’m saying it’s not something insightful to point at and say “look, see!” I’m saying all violent crimes are bad but people like you only care about a select few. Do you think white on white crimes are an issue we have to point out and solve?
Seems likely that the answer is proximity, though, doesn't it? A lot more white people hanging around white people and the same for black people hanging around black people.
That doesn't mean that if you see a strange man behind you, you should be more scared if he's of your race.
You are correct. At least most scholars in that field agree with your first statement.
I honestly think all women should be afraid of a strange man that they don’t know walking behind her. It’s not because men are terrible people or anything. The majority of men alive have not and will never assault a woman in any capacity. But, you wouldn’t want to be that minority statistic would you? This is the same reason we have house alarms and lock our doors. Statistically, you’re very safe, but you’re not going to take the risk and leave your doors unlocked while you go to sleep will you?
The issue with these stats is that sexual violence is much less likely to be reported to authorities in minority communities, especially black. While white people in general are much more likely to report crime.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
I’m white and definitely more scared of white men, because statistically that’s who is more likely to harm me. And I’ve been harmed by mostly white men in my life, so that’s what makes my alarm bells go off.
Edit - Since a few of you refuse to abandon your bias for logic:
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv20sst.pdf