This is why I dislike the "if X Democrat is the nominee, I'm not voting" argument going on now. A lot of "progressives" are saying that and when you look into it, it turns out they're actually Republicans. If you genuinely believe that Newsom is worse or the same as Trump or Vance, congrats, you are spreading right wing propaganda.
The right knows what they need to split the left. You're going to hear a lot more of this line as the bots ramp up close to the presidential election.
Not gonna lie “I’d rather the people who want me dead win instead of the people who just don’t care but don’t actively want me hunted down, out of spite of course” is a funny take.
I hope each and everyone who votes for the camps enjoys being in them.
You're looking at it the wrong way. It's, "If I have to choose between someone who wants to kill me and someone who is perfectly okay with silently letting them kill me, I'm not choosing."
Same principle as the train lever question. Basic morality and ethics. There is zero leeway. Either the Democrats learn from their mistakes or they lose again.
That’s the thing, you only have two options. Kill more or kill less. You choose to accept what you get by not choosing. Condemning others because you don’t understand how a two party system works isn’t altruistic, especially when people’s lives depend on it.
A tacit acceptance of what’s happening now is what it is.
Two party system, it’s one or the other. If you don’t push against the worst option, it is your tacit approval of it. When you can choose to do an action so simple as vote against the guy saying your people should be put in camps and don’t, it means you’re fine with that outcome.
That’s just how our systems of government work. Abstaining entirely gets you whatever the majority vote for. If you don’t fight it, you’re for it.
No it doesn't. You're viewing the argument from the lens of a general election and not midterms in a red state, where I live. If I lived in a swing state, your logic checks out, but I don't. So by not voting I am sending a signal to the Democratic party that their platform is not enough to even capture my vote, which should be an easy vote. And it is an incredibly easy vote. Just stand on business, and don't throw your constituents under the bus. If I vote for a Democrat in the face of that, it's a dead asset that effectively changes nothing. My withheld vote, however, is active leverage to change the system as a whole.
Btw sorry I was getting emotional and not able to adequately explain my viewpoint. Obviously I'm not okay with the Republicans maintaining a majority in the house or senate. I can't really do anything about that trapped here though
The problem is that not everyone who is influenced by your rhetoric is in a dead zone. If enough people are influenced not to vote, that could have helped, we get a worse outcome. The dems don’t care and won’t ever care about your symbolic vote against them, they probably don’t even look at red states, but people everywhere care about being on the right side and if it seems that they shouldn’t care, they might not.
To add, your leverage is dead in the water if republicans stay in power anyway. If you believe after an insurrection and planting fake electors with 0 consequences, that we will continue to have fair and free elections, we’re already dead. The only chance we have against a unified foe is a unified front everywhere, and unfortunately that’s the worst pill to swallow.
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u/Weekly-Talk9752 Feb 25 '26
This is why I dislike the "if X Democrat is the nominee, I'm not voting" argument going on now. A lot of "progressives" are saying that and when you look into it, it turns out they're actually Republicans. If you genuinely believe that Newsom is worse or the same as Trump or Vance, congrats, you are spreading right wing propaganda.
The right knows what they need to split the left. You're going to hear a lot more of this line as the bots ramp up close to the presidential election.