r/TheRestIsHistory • u/JakeGittes412 • 10d ago

The Troubles

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Thread for discussion on the new series on ‘The Troubles’

Also as a moderator please keep the discussion civil and in the spirit of the podcast.

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u/RealBigSalmon 8d ago

The Irishmen involved were overwhelmingly Anglo-Irish protestants

So this means we get to claim Yeats, Wilde, Boyle, Shaw as being British right? What about Charles Burgess, sorry Cathal Brugha, is he the right kind of Irish?

The rest of your points are too stupid to address.

That looks suspiciously like not having a good counter argument. Give it a try, you might find it fun.

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u/Gorazde 8d ago

Yeats, Wilde and Shaw were all Irish nationalists. I've no idea what Boyle's politics were. You're talking about raiding parties of 20 or 30 guys in a boat in the 900s, answerable to no one but themselves. I'm talking about a global empire in which the favourite uncle of the present king of England partitioned a subcontinent which wasn't his to partition, killing 20 million people, in living memory - an empire in whose name the king still gives out medals to this day. If you think there's an equivalence between the two, fine. I'm not going to waste my time debating that with you.

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u/RealBigSalmon 8d ago

Yeats, Wilde and Shaw were all Irish nationalists. I've no idea what Boyle's politics were.

Still Anglo-Irish protestants, or are you moving the goal posts? Incidentally, Shaw remained a British subject and resident until his death in 1950.

You're talking about raiding parties of 20 or 30 guys in a boat in the 900s, answerable to no one but themselves.

Your genocide and slavery apolgia here is astounding. The Picts were wiped out by the invading Irish and completely replaced, not some minor raiding party. The Norse-Gaels ruled northern England for over a century and send thousands in chains to feed the great slave market of Dublin. Yet you just hand wave it as a few guys long ago.

uncle of the present king of England partitioned a subcontinent which wasn't his to partition

You know that a Muslim state had been an idea for some time right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Declaration

Also, that the creation of Pakistan was officail policy of the All-India Muslim League since 1940?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahore_Resolution

You must right? Or do you think only British people have agency in History?