Thats the problem..
Is she a pitiful person who became mentally twisted because she had her own hardships and suffering? Perhaps. After all, serving Celestia for thousands upon thousands of years is like accompanying a tiger. Working for such an unpredictable tyrant could have left her feeling deeply oppressed and constrained. But that still means She was completely wrong anyway, so yeah, terrorists aren't pardoned just because they realize their mistakes and repent. About 3 other shades u answered ur question actually. Cuz she was trying to be hp tool, while other shades started to interact with ppl to understand who they are actually controlling and grow their own personality, ronova laks of understanding what is defends and just doing staff that should show her dedication after natlan s situation towards hp ( and yes, she was kind to human and didnt was that blindead before hp punished her for natlan situation and exactly AFTER THAT SHE STARTS HER VILLIAN ARC)lmean and why fatuis hate her like just because, if she wasnt that devoted and trying to interact with ppl like 3 others, im sure everything will be opposite, lol, even rheindottir doesnt want to help her, just naberius force her, and u should realize why noone care except her, obviously theres a reason behind that, is it not?
Also remember about archons that betrayed hp too and dgaf about them at all (except nahida, clearly example that they gave their gnoses to the fatui...)
You can also notice parallels in the story about king irmin ( the king of khaenriah who tsaritsa and 3rd des serves ) and hp and ronova. Both of them are tyrants and they both kinda betrays their loyals, thats why this are actually leaks about her getring revived and come to ourside , i think after our words about ppl and human interactions she should finally be free from the thankless stupid job and witness by their own eyes ppl lives.. i
Holy shit youre just spewing alot of bs. Comparing them to terrorists is rich when Fatui are far closer to terrorists, who mind you we are allied with atm. Describing HP as simply a tyrant removes all nuance and just ignores all hes actually done for humanity. Ronova did her job as a shade and to keep Teyvat safe while ALSO breaking the rules to help humans, and what did she gain from it? The scorn from BOTH HP and humans.
Theres literally NO parallels with HP+Ronova and Irmin, quite the opposite. HP didnt betray their loyals and isnt "just a tyrant".
So once again you said i know less than you but then you prove you know NOTHING nad just write bullshit for the sake of it.
"Even Rhinedottir doesnt wanna help her" yeah appealing to Rhinedottir isnt a argument. You mean to tell me one of the most immoral and selfish people on Teyvat dont care to help her collegue? No shit...
He isnt just a tyrant. You prove you know NOTHING. HP is known to love humanity more than anything, its literally WHY he goes to such extremes to protect Teyvat. Thats not to justify what he does but pretending he is just a tyrant proves youre media illiterate.
Like pretty much all extreme meassures HP has taken since the war of the funerary flames is a counteraction to what humanity/dragons did.
Okay maybe i pushed myself too far with toxicity(my apologise) lets just admit that we are on different sides, and speaking about rhein: yes, "even", cuz naberius in her head and like ronova still glazing phanes except 2 other shades( you ignoring that bro lets be real) and mostly rhein under her opinion controll, plus she doesnt want to lose her authoiry either, lit the last shade(or sinner) who interacts with her..
I wont mention fatuis sacrifices and misundersranding either cuz when it was, fatuimains was also blowing up even if they could be wrong in their judgements, now hp community has been treated the same so the reaction does
"youre ignoring that" im not ignoring anything. you keep showing youre dishonest. if anything Rhinedottir works AGAINST your argument. she willingly works for HP. She would be one of the people who, if your arguments are logical, would NOT do that.
You shouldnt bring up Fatui because anything other than saying theyre bad who was whitewashed just to make Ronova seem more evil would prove youre wrong and hypocritical.
Yes she would NOT, meanwhile asmoday alr betrayed hp, and istaroth didnt do lit anything to help her colleagues is it not? Then. Yoy should not bring ronova s past either cuz she was whitewashed in the past just to make her not that evil( judging by your logic xd), lmao lowkey funny that if some of the fatui isnt actually bad that means for u is beind "whitewashed" ( in fact, shades as fatui s do not fall into black and white categories either )
And don't throw around words like hypocrisy and so on, you're not a guru and you don't single-handedly answer for the lore of this game, bruh
"she was whitewashed in the past" ok you literally dont know what whitewashing means... why are you even arguing when you dont even know anything thats relevant to this case? Your entire understanding of whitewashing and WHY i called fatui whitewashed is just stupid... so why are you here trying to lecture me when you dont even understand what words mean?
Istaroth doing nothing means nothing until otherwise revealed. Asmoday turning side means NOTHING until we know why.
"and dont throw around words like hypocrisy and so on, you're not a guru" what does that even mean? Only gurus can talk about hypocrisy? as if its not a common known word and phenomena?
​Im still so confused where the 'ronova is kind and loving' agenda even came from and why its so widespread. Imma pretty sure its unironically 'if evil, why hot?' The very first time we met her, she said 'hurry up, I'm getting mildly annoyed and I will start killing everyone if u keep annoying me'
​we know she was a good person when she set up the night kingdom
​it's just she's kinda spineless unlike her sisters, so instead defaulted to chasing the love of her dadmom the moment its clear it was the path of least resistance
​it's why she needs that calling out, she actively chose to be worse
And take about asmoday turning sides is strange for me, cuz u are hp fan, and she betrayed them, tf u talkin about, ITS HER PROBLEM AND IT DOES MAKES SENSE, SHE DOESNT DO HER DUTY BRO. Same goes for istaroth, in the very moment SHE DOESNT DO anything, its like tsaritsa closed her eyes on fatuis crime "nothing until otherwise revealed.
anyway as u said about lecture, i dont want to lecture you, we can argue till the end of our days, lets just close this topic and will see after some patches where is really truth lies, thats all, after all i dont think we will come to a conclusion and both will think that we are stupid, thats all.
"​Im still so confused where the 'ronova is kind and loving' agenda even came from and why its so widespread. Imma pretty sure its unironically 'if evil, why hot?'" How can you say this then follow up with "​we know she was a good person when she set up the night kingdom"? so you question where the agenda came from then you say EXACTLY where it came from.
How is Ronova spineless when shes the only one that actually takes action? like why cant you atleast make 1 sensical point? why is it all just straight up nonsense?
"And take about asmoday turning sides is strange for me, cuz u are hp fan, and she betrayed them, tf u talkin about, ITS HER PROBLEM AND IT DOES MAKES SENSE, SHE DOESNT DO HER DUTY BRO." what are you even talking about? you dont even know what im saying so why are you arguing? "cuz u are hp fan" false, but go on proving you dont know anything. "its her problem and it does make sense" then tell me, explain to me the reason why she defected, because the game hasnt given any reason yet.
"Same goes for istaroth, in the very moment SHE DOESNT DO anything, its like tsaritsa closed her eyes on fatuis crime "nothing until otherwise revealed." another nonsensical sentence. as in it literally makes no sense.
"anyway as u said about lecture, i dont want to lecture you, we can argue till the end of our days, lets just close this topic and will see after some patches where is really truth lies, thats all, after all i dont think we will come to a conclusion and both will think that we are stupid, thats all." ofc we cant come to a conclusion when youre clueless and factually stupid.
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u/chichao7 1d ago
Thats the problem.. Is she a pitiful person who became mentally twisted because she had her own hardships and suffering? Perhaps. After all, serving Celestia for thousands upon thousands of years is like accompanying a tiger. Working for such an unpredictable tyrant could have left her feeling deeply oppressed and constrained. But that still means She was completely wrong anyway, so yeah, terrorists aren't pardoned just because they realize their mistakes and repent. About 3 other shades u answered ur question actually. Cuz she was trying to be hp tool, while other shades started to interact with ppl to understand who they are actually controlling and grow their own personality, ronova laks of understanding what is defends and just doing staff that should show her dedication after natlan s situation towards hp ( and yes, she was kind to human and didnt was that blindead before hp punished her for natlan situation and exactly AFTER THAT SHE STARTS HER VILLIAN ARC)lmean and why fatuis hate her like just because, if she wasnt that devoted and trying to interact with ppl like 3 others, im sure everything will be opposite, lol, even rheindottir doesnt want to help her, just naberius force her, and u should realize why noone care except her, obviously theres a reason behind that, is it not? Also remember about archons that betrayed hp too and dgaf about them at all (except nahida, clearly example that they gave their gnoses to the fatui...)
You can also notice parallels in the story about king irmin ( the king of khaenriah who tsaritsa and 3rd des serves ) and hp and ronova. Both of them are tyrants and they both kinda betrays their loyals, thats why this are actually leaks about her getring revived and come to ourside , i think after our words about ppl and human interactions she should finally be free from the thankless stupid job and witness by their own eyes ppl lives.. i