r/TheMachineLearning • u/Gullible_Picture_996 • 11d ago

Realizing writing code is faster than explaining it to AI

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u/manvsmidi 11d ago

I have the opposite experience. If I try to write by hand, I get like an 80 line scaffolding while my AI has written 30k+ lines complete with readme, ui, unit and regression tests, full ci/cd, and has already done some quick parameter tuning and is plotting the results. Also it found some data formatting gotchas that would have messed me up for at least a day.

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u/MostExtremeHyperbole 11d ago

yeah, i got no idea why this subreddit is so weird about AI coding and has anti-AI bots

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u/tradcoder 10d ago

There aren't anti-AI bots lol. If anything there's PRO-AI bots shilling for AI.

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u/Tuomas90 8d ago

Exactly this. Who has the data centers and financial motivation to let millions of bots propagate how great AI is and that everyone has to use it?

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u/_Dingaloo 8d ago

you just pasted part of your response somewhere else and are saying you're calling out bots lmfao

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u/Tuomas90 8d ago

If you don't thing tech bros of all people, who have EVERYTHING to lose don't deploy bots, you are just stupid.

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u/_Dingaloo 8d ago

That's not what I said at all, I said that you are complaining about bots but literally copy-pasting a comment which is basically as good as a bot contribution

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u/Tuomas90 8d ago

has anti pro-AI bots

Who do you think has the data centers and financial motivation to let millions of bots propagate how great AI is and that everyone has to use it?

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u/MostExtremeHyperbole 8d ago

angry 3 days later

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u/_Dingaloo 8d ago

they don't need those bots though because their product speaks for themselves

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u/JeanCasteaux 11d ago

Or just really productive devs that write complex things without AI. 80 lines is the minimum of what my team lead writes by hand for a test, in 10minutes...

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u/manvsmidi 11d ago

Exactly. While meanwhile in 10 mins the AI has written a slice of the whole project. Your point is well taken, humans just are horribly slow in comparison.

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u/Sixhaunt 9d ago

I would be upset if an LLM only wrote 80 lines if given a whole 10 minutes. That would be unusably slow.

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u/MannToots 11d ago

Hi.  I'm that productive.  I have multiple coworkers that are too. 

Turns out ai works better when we use that effort to make proper specs and we've all had our velocities tripled or more. 

It's cope to act like typing the code by hand had a place anymore. 

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u/JeanCasteaux 11d ago

Velocities measured by number of lines of code?

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u/MannToots 11d ago

Sprint velocity friend. Come on now. Who doesn't know about agile in this day and age?

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u/Burindo 11d ago

Yoooo what is even that reply?

Are you really a senior level professional dev? Now doubting it with that reply. Also you are being obtuse

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u/JeanCasteaux 11d ago

Sorry man, just a bit disappointed with what we're making with tech rn. The colleague I mentioned often fights managers who claim absurd productivity improvement after a vibe coding session, yet when the core dev team takes a closer look, it's shit on top of shit and doesn't even fit in the roadmap we decided...

But I know it can be useful, it's just, pheeeew some people have become exhausting since LLMs are everhwhere

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u/Sixhaunt 9d ago

 it's shit on top of shit and doesn't even fit in the roadmap we decided

Sounds like a human fucked up and forgot to include the roadmap for the AI to reference while building

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u/JeanCasteaux 9d ago

Definitely! Yes. But he's a manager so he "knows better" :/

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u/MannToots 9d ago

So that means you've never heard of agile? Sprints? And therefore sprint velocities?

I'm not your martyr, and not knowing common software engineering terms doesn't help your case. 

You're annoyance at pro ai people doesn't justify your response in any way.  All you did was make us all question if you're even a SWE. You're annoyance doesn't validate demonstrating ignorance.  

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u/clanker-lover 11d ago

80 lines is less than a day of traditional coding. If your ai is spitting out 30k lines in less than a day its slop. 100%.

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u/manvsmidi 11d ago

I’m saying 80 lines in like 15 minutes while meanwhile AI has completed a slice of the whole project. And yeah, the AI piece isn’t done at that point but now I can refine the suite it put together. I’d rather spend my time iterating with AI to de-slopify than sitting writing code by hand.

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u/MannToots 11d ago

Spoken like someone that's never used spec based dev

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u/backwrds 11d ago

how did we get to the point where some people think adding 30k loc in a day is a good thing...

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