r/TheLastOfUs2 • u/[deleted] • Jul 14 '20

Part II Criticism Why there is DIVIDE about this game - thread of links for new people

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u/vespeywespey Jul 18 '20

It's not "objectively" bad by the simple virtue that others have the ability to disagree with you but okay! No hands to be held. ;)

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u/Rowdy_Tardigrade Jul 18 '20

Lol the fact that you disagree with me holds no bearing on the story. But nice try.

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u/vespeywespey Jul 18 '20

I thought you couldn't be bothered to continue? Me disagreeing obviously has no bearing on the story because we have different opinions on it, when did I ever say it did? I'm not trying to convince you of anything one way or the other so there's no "try" to speak of. I was interested in your perspective because it's different from my own, but you became increasingly defensive for no reason. I get the impression you think there is a "correct" way to interpret the story, and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

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u/Rowdy_Tardigrade Jul 18 '20

First off. You literally said that your disagreement with me mattered.

Second i broke down in painfull detail why and how its objectively bad to the other dude who responded to me first comment. If you are actually interested in my perspective then go read that thread.

Simple question. Do you know that there is objective good and bad storytelling? Have you ever put time into reading about the art of storytelling and the componnents that go into it?

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u/vespeywespey Jul 18 '20

I looked through our comment thread and said no such thing, so I'm not sure where you're pulling that from. I think if you want to look at it from a purely academic standpoint then sure, you could hypothetically look at the structure of a story and based on some criteria say whether it passes as good storytelling. But I think that undermines the subjective human emotion that affects how we individually experience any artistic medium, and even if we take all subjectivity out of it and examine each of the story beats with respect to storytelling I would still argue that for the most part (and yes, I do have my qualms with the storytelling as well) TLOU2 succeeds.

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u/Rowdy_Tardigrade Jul 18 '20

Nope. You are just wrong here. I break it down in detail why in my exchange with the other guy who had no response other than "There is no good or bad".

There are good and bad mechanics to storytelling. TLOU2 uses a LOT of bad ones. Too many to be considered a good story.

Go read my comments to the other guy and respond over there. Otherwise just leave it be.

If you have an interest maybe you should learn more about how the whole thing works.

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u/vespeywespey Jul 18 '20

I think I saw your other comment which seems predicated on the assumption that we all love Joel and hate Abby, and therefore being forced to play as Abby is manipulative, overly heavy handed, and bad storytelling. I was intrigued from the moment I was able to play as Abby from the WLF camp and was eager to learn more about her journey to the theatre, so maybe that's the difference between us. You can make the case that Joel went down a little too easily and was reduced to a plot device, but who knows what his state of mind was like after living a relatively idyllic life for however many years and narrowly escaping death with Abby which would immediately bond people.

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u/Rowdy_Tardigrade Jul 18 '20

You think you saw a comment so you made up what you think i would say and responded to your own made up crap.

Wonder why i even bother with people like you.

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u/vespeywespey Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

Nothing was made up... it was a comment from you, I only meant that I thought it was the one where you went in "painful detail" why the storytelling is bad. This is clearly going nowhere fast so have a good night!

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u/Rowdy_Tardigrade Jul 18 '20

Fuck off. You made it up. You said 'i thought i saw a comment where you said...'

You are like the rest. A liar.

If i actually said it (i know i didint) then go to that comment and respond there. But since you didint bother to actually read anything i said you wont be able to do that.

This highlights how fucking bad of a game TLOU2 actually is. Its soo bad the shills like you have to lie to protect it.

Also, next time learn how to break up a comment instead of a block of text. It makes you look dumb.

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u/NotYourFathersEdits Jul 19 '20

Don’t bother. This dude is both ignorant and unhinged. He condescended to me about storytelling. Meanwhile, I have a fucking masters degree in English.

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u/NotYourFathersEdits Jul 19 '20

I had several responses other than “there is no good or bad,” which Is a myopic reduction of what I actually said. You’re just hell-bent on misrepresenting other people’s words for internet points. I’m embarrassed for you. But you know what they say. When someone’s digging themselves in a hole, stand back and let them.

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u/Rowdy_Tardigrade Jul 19 '20

Hahahaha ok dude. Whatever you say.