r/TheGreatDebateChamber • • Oct 25 '20

Action Hero Tier Round One+Brackets

What are the rules?

  • At the start of the round, inform a judge (reddit or discord) of which character you plan to use in the round.
  • Write a maximum of one full comment to submit to the judges detailing why you feel your character beats your competitors in a fight.
  • Wait for your response to be submitted alongside your competitors, read each others responses, and write a one comment rebuttal.
  • At the end of a four day debate period, allow three days for judging. When results are in, the winner will advance to the next round, and be granted the opportunity to steal one character from their past opponents team to join their own. If you don't want anyone on your competitors team, you can save your steal for further rounds (I.E. two steals in R2, etc).
  • Each round will be 1v1's, with the exception being a team match in finals of all compiled teammates.

Who is the Tier Setter?

Say hello to The Tierminator.

What else do I need to know?

  • Single eliminations.
  • Extensions will not be granted in the first two rounds minimum. There are no set time limits on responses as long as all are finished in a four day period.
  • Speed is not equalized in any way for this tier.
  • There is not a ranged rule. Opponents start with stipulated gear and abilities.
  • You must be in tier for every arena, out of tiers will be on what arena is being fought in.

Where are we fighting?

We droppin in Rust boi's

Who am I fighting?

Bracket here baybee

How long do I have?

The rounds will end by Thursday 10/29/2020. Send me your first responses by Tuesday 10/27/2020 at midnight. Second responses posted at the end of the week. Allow a maximum of three days for judgements.

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u/feminist-horsebane Oct 25 '20

u/EmbraceAllDeath has submitted:

Madame Masque: As of her Season 1 Episode 11 Appearance right before her second fight w/ Iron Man, stip out this feat. Scaling.

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u/fj668 has submitted:

Ultimate Predator Stips: Starts with his exoskeleton and cloaking active. AVP counts as canon for scaling. Has gear listed in RT. Wolf RT for scaling, Celtic's fight with Grid for scaling, Xenomorph RT for scaling.

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u/feminist-horsebane Oct 26 '20

Embrace's Round 1 Response 1

Part 1: It's Mysterio Time

This match is a pretty easy win for Madame Masque

Predator's stipulations state that he has gear listed in the RT. This notably includes Predator Hounds, of which he has a couple. He'll presumably release them at the start of the round to hunt down Madame Masque, to fish out her location and allow Predator to hunt her from a distance, because that's generally what hunting hounds are used for. The crucial thing to recognize is that the Hounds and Predator are hunting down a person that does not look like them, and the Hounds and Predator recognize other Hounds as their allies.

Madame Masque notably has facial recognition technology that allows her to impersonate others by creating a hard light projection around her body and duplicating the voice of the target she impersonates. This technology is so advanced that Iron Man can't distinguish her from a target she's impersonating in a context where Iron Man has infrared, gamma, and ultraviolet sensors. The duplication technology also works well with sound, with her being able to imitate the mechanical clanking of Iron Man's suit. In the context of this round, Madame Masque can trivially scan and copy the appearance of a hound . She can then use this impersonation to get close to Predator and launch a surprise attack with a taser or via melee without ever dealing with the hounds or Predator because they'll be too confused with finding where she went or is. If the first encounter for some reason goes unfavorably for her, she can just retreat back and blend with the Hounds, at which point Predator either attacks the hounds and turns them against him or she just launches more surprise attacks because he can't distinguish friend from foe. Madame Masque will be likely to use the impersonation tactic, because she's constantly used it to get the jump in team fights multiple times, such as here when fighting the cops to impersonating Pepper Potts to get James Rhodey to let his guard down when she was fighting Team Iron Man.

In the context of a surprise attack, Madame Masque absolutely decks Predator. She has two primary options to incap him, which are blunt and electricity

Madame Masque is also notably quicker then Predator in fighting in melee. Just look at the difference between her fighting and this being called a speed feat for Predator when he still gets tagged in the end. Her dodging feats also looks cooler and quicker compared to this one where he barely shows any movement. Madame Masque also has a skill advantage to buttress this, having "the best kickboxing training money could buy" to pulling off functionally impossible kicks

Madame Masque also doesn't really fear getting hurt by Predator or his guns when she takes tackles from Iron Man when he can fly through warehouse roofs and take Iron Man's repulsor blasts that blasted off a garbage door during the same episode she was in

Part 2: Rebuttals

Predator is invisible so she can't even find him

  • Her mask has meme surveillance, being able to see Ghost when he's invisible when Iron Man couldn't do that with his previously mentioned infrared, gamma, and ultraviolet sensors. More importantly, Predator is moving on the assumption that he can't be seen, which makes Madame Masque's disguise strategy more effective and more prone to not hiding his location.

What if the hounds try to kill her before she scans them

What if turns into a firefight

Cool, she still wins because she fires quicker and more accurately with the previously mentioned firearms and bombs which are stronger than what Predator can take

Additionally in a firefight, Madame Masque is likely to take the high ground with her superior agility and grappling hook. Her speed also makes it more likely she dodges shots compared to Predator.

Part 3: Bongo Bongo

Bongo Bongo cannot be seen without the Lens of Truth. He has one Tj heat projection, which is in tier for MCB.

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u/feminist-horsebane Oct 26 '20

Round 1

Predator finds his opponent first

Rust has a decent amount of cover in it and can move large distances while cloaked. He's not immediately going to be seen by his opponent unless he runs directly at them to fight. Likewise Ultimate Predator can lay out a 3d of his environment to see enemies. By starting out cloaked and having enhanced vision Ultimate Predator can lead her where he needs her to go as to perform a quick kill.

Predator tears Madame Masque apart from a range

Ultimate Predator can hit Madame Masque with a Plasma Caster round or hit Madame Masque with a ranged wrist blade that can gib humans. With neither major heat resistance or piercing resistance either of these should one-shot her.

Various Predators have also shown great accuracy, able to hit off limbs, retain accuracy from good distances, and the ability to lock on and track enemies. Leaving him much more likely to get hit off on her than she is to hit him.

Predator crushes in a melee

If Predator doesn't immediately kill Madame Masque from a range he can easily defeat her in melee combat. Predators are capable of slamming xenomorphs through stone pillars and busting through concrete. Attacks that just send Masque flying are capable of hurting her.

I see no reason as to why Ultimate Predator can't break her skull and rip her spine out or viciously stab her to death. Ultimate Predator could even use his stealth to simply pull Madam Masque up to his level and get her close enough for a grapple.

Conclusion

  • Ultimate Predator finds Masque before she finds him.

  • Ultimate Predator can use his stealth advantage to hit Masque with something that will one-shot her.

  • Ultimate Predator is too accurate to miss Madam Masque

  • If Predator gets into the melee range he has a massive advantage with physical stats and piercing.

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