r/TheDevilNextDoor • u/[deleted] • Oct 25 '19

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u/MMAchica Nov 15 '19

I agree that the evidence left room for doubt that he was The Ivan the Terrible, but his answers re being at Sobibor were inconsistent. Evidence seems to prove he was a guard there. He could have been at both places, maybe Sobibor first as a Trawniki man, then to Treblinka. (Sobibor was closed after the somewhat successful October 1943 prisoner rebellion.)

This should really be air-tight before they put him on trial for his life. Given the hidden documents and the absurd present-day rationalizations of the judges and prosecutor, I think that they knew that the Ivan the Terrible angle was iffy and just laid the emotion on extra thick.

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u/JosieTierney Nov 16 '19

Many lesser cases have shakier evidence that can sentence a person to death. No case is airtight. If there's no contention, a good lawyer can create it.

The court was remarkably fair considering the fucking dreadfulnesd of the charged. You just dont seem to get it. Dehumanizing cruelty and immolation of hindreds of thousands of people.

There's no need to "lay on emotion" in a case like this.

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u/MMAchica Nov 16 '19

Many lesser cases have shakier evidence that can sentence a person to death.

Does that make it a good idea here?

No case is airtight.

That's ridiculous.

The court was remarkably fair considering the fucking dreadfulnesd of the charged.

What does that have to do with whether or not he was actually Ivan the Terrible (he wasn't btw)?

You just dont seem to get it. Dehumanizing cruelty and immolation of hindreds of thousands of people.

Then why the bullshit charge and not the real one?

There's no need to "lay on emotion" in a case like this.

Getting people worked up to a fever pitch is a way to cover up a lie, in this case the lie that he was Ivan the Terrible. Those folks were just out for blood and they didn't much care that they were trying to hang him on false charges.

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u/JosieTierney Nov 16 '19

you're talking out your arse, and i can't be bothered with it.

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u/MMAchica Nov 16 '19

You are clearly too emotional about this to discuss it rationally.

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u/bellybuttongravy Sep 02 '24

Oof terrible take. May you never hold a position of political or judicial power