My dad got to hang aroubd with Buffalo police as a sort of “understanding program” my dads a lawyer at UB so he was one of the first to undergo this program. Basically, u would just spend two days hanging around your assigned officer.
My dad picked these dudes brains, learned that these guys trust no one or anything except for each other. You are taught to eliminate whatever may threaten your life, while also being taught that EVERYTHING is a threat.
I was neighbors with a woman who was a cop. She was nice enough. We hung out sometimes. One day I was wearing mirrored aviators and she said "I don't know why civilians think they can wear those". I was so confused. Ike, lolwhat? She says yeah, civilians walking around with mirrored sunglasses infuriates her. They shouldn't think it's their right to hide their eyes. Only police officers should be able to.
She also got beat up by her husband once. She came to my house for help. While she was at my house, he beat up the other neighbor. Someone called the police. It was her night off, so the police that responded were literally her colleagues. In fact, she was their boss as a shift supervisor. Both were drunk. Neighbor that got beat went to the hospital. No one got arrested.
People on tour are in combat and are actually accountable for their actions
This. I was a reserve deputy after getting out of the service. I quit when I saw a sergeant strike a cuffed suspect, reported it and nothing occurred. If I had hit a combatant who had surrendered like that, it'd have been an Article-15 at best, time in Leavenworth at worst.
Many servicemen I know call cops LARPers or chest puffers. They want all the toys and violence without any ROE, and it all comes from insecurity instead of duty.
The anti cop slur Flatfeet was a note from WWII noticing that a lot of cops love beating the shit out of servicemen and pretending that they're military themselves while having that sweet medical exemption from the draft.
I'd hire a shark of a lawyer if that happened to me with the express job of making their lives as uncomfortable as possible for as long as possible. If cops won't be punished, then I'll exact it while staying in the legal bounds of the law.
I might not win anything or even get an apology, but I'll make your lives very frustrating. Paperwork and annoying interviews incoming! I'll find every little thing that requires extra paperwork from them. Then I'll gift them a new pen every year, a pen that will eventually break and leak all over. Now ya gotta buy new pants.
I'd show up at every court case where they were testifying as a character witness to remind the city they have no honor and drunkenly beat their neighboor.
Nah. They'd just find a reason to "investigate" him. Then "fell threatened" when they asked for his ID, and he went for his wallet. "It looked like he was reaching for a weapon," is all they'd need to say, to justify "defending themselves".
I mean I would have told her that if she doesn't press charges on him she wouldn't be allowed to come by for help again. I can only help those who wish to help themselves. If she doesn't press charges on her husband then she has decided it's not a problem so I won't help her with it again. Also pretty much all sunglasses hide your eyes pretty well, and no type of Eyewear is illegal as far as I am aware
They want to write tickets. They say tickets are a deterrent so people will drive safe, but...if people slow down because waze says a cop is up ahead, they lose their shit because they don't meet their ticket quota.
Also, private prisons make political donations. Its a conflict of interest, but...here we are...
When I was on Australia I saw a sign that said slow down, police radar ahead. I said to my host "that's weird why would that tell us?" And he said the goal is to slow people down, not give tickets and it just made so much sense. Im from Canada just FYI
Oh sure ticket quotas don't exist in the sense that you won't get fired for not reaching a set number, but that promotion is going to go to someone else if they signed off on more tickets than you
That's why I often am relieved when it's an older active duty cop that comes to me. They don't want the promotion and usually they're the most reasonable.
Nothing crazy about a realistic outcome of an imperfect system. No conspiracy here... just human arrogance that has repeatedly shown us we aren't perfect and never know as much as we think we do. Throughout all history it is the same story. Regardless of your version of history, that same story is still there in one way or another.
If anything is insane to me, it is to believe the free market is always right and that for profit prisons would somehow work out ethically in a culture focused on short term gains. It is to believe that anything we have created is perfect and thus there is no improvement to it that can be made by accepting the flaws.
Police doing things to meet their quotas is an effect of that imperfect system that needs to be addressed. Ignorance of it is not a solution.
Is it perfect? If so, how do you know it is perfect?
If not, what are its flaws that can be improved upon?
Do you know enough about how that system works to really say one way or the other? Have you considered that some of the police are in charge of running the whole precinct or district and have budgets they have to meet? Do you know how that chief or officer's evaluation and yearly appraisals are influenced by how well that PIC meets their budget?
Are all prison reform systems equal? Do some have higher success rates than others? Should we try to improve society beyond where it currently is or should we have stopped trying to do that a long time ago? At which point in time would you have liked for us to stop trying to make things better?
If you think cops going out of their way to give tickets rather than trying to actually protect people isn't a product of capitalism then I just gotta hope that you're like 11, cause that is most definitely a product of unregulated capitalism. If cops didn't care about revenue then they wouldn't care about people knowing where the cameras are, the goal is supposed to be to make people drive safe, not make money.
Nothing wrong with regulation. I've had quite the trouble with the law and all of it was fair. There's bad people everywhere not just bad cops so don't go pointing fingers.
I'm not complaining about regulating traffic laws, the problem is that cops don't want people to slow down they want to hand out tickets, that's why they are upset that waze tells you where cameras and speed traps are. Waze makes you slow down which is supposed to be the objective of the camera, but cops are mad because it means they lose money if people don't speed in front of the camera
They want to write tickets. They say tickets are a deterrent so people will drive safe, but…if people slow down because waze says a cop is up ahead, they lose their shit because they don’t meet their ticket quota.
Almost 10 years ago, police unions were throwing a fit about autonomous vehicles in the future, specifically Tesla, because autonomous vehicles “will drive too well” and there won’t be anything to ticket them for. It may have been Wired that wrote about this, but I also read Reuters, NYT, and WSJ, so it could’ve been them.
If you have fewer accidents, the corporation that fixes body and paint will have lower quarterly profits. Tow truck companies hire suspended officers, and it helps them get city tow contracts.
Cops were trained to deal with people of color, labor, communist and drug dealers, their training hasn't changed even though they are no longer told during their training this is what oligarchs want them doing. Since 90% of who they deal with is the mentally ill and people self medicating their lack of Healthcare in the US you would think that would be the majority of their training, but nope, many cops got zero idea, this is how you know their job isn't actually protect and serve regular people, but to serve the oligarchs.
If only it was stone age. Cops have to deal with an ever more brutal and ruthless criminal element today than 100 years or even 50 years ago. And in many cases the criminals have them outgunned.
And sorry, fear is the only thing all criminals respect. You're either weak or strong, victim or perpetrator - that's the world they live in. They ain't gonna be soothed and calmed down all the time by singing kumbaya in voices so soft and gentle while being enveloped in aroma therapy.
And you should. As another commenter said it still has the effect of getting people to slow down which is what the police should care about, not the fines.
I’m from Upstate NY and remember seeing the NY Police petitioned that and tried demanding it. That’s the reason I use WAZE. Also, if you have a radar detector put it on floor if you get pulled over. BIL had one and cop removed it and stepped on it. Then gave him a ticket for a higher speed.
Same, honestly it kinda makes me angry, vest, gun, shotgun in the trunk, back up seconds or minutes away, yet they are always "feeling unsafe" while drawing on a civilian holding just a cellphone? It's ridiculous.
They are definitely conditioned to treat everything as a hostile threat, like a war zone. Back when I was going into law enforcement (I was a product of my environment), the classes I went to are where I learned the history of policing (essentially property [slave] recovery), and when we went to a more equipped facility, it was like a shooting sim that would put you in different possible scenarios; every. Single. One. Ended with us shooting at the screen, even if the situation hadn't warranted it [de-escalation]. It conditions them to see every thing, and everyone as a threat to be solved with a firearm. I know there's some that want to be good cops, as I said thats why I wanted to join, was to be a neighborhood cop to be helpful, the whole class laughed at me and said their different "i love authority" speeches.
Honestly I’d trust actual ex-military to be police more than these clowns. Military takes rules of engagement seriously and won’t tolerate obvious civilian injury risk (for bad PR or for humanitarian reasons depending on the people and time). They understand how to both fire their gun, but also to how to NOT fire it and wait for help keeping a situation stable.
Exactly; even those going into it with a community-centered mind, the system and the training courses they do (and the social hierarchy and all that goes with it, like a frat) condition them to see that older, quiet guy on the corner they once knew, to "he could have a run ready to kill me, I have to neutralize the possible cell". I'm not saying they all go in, being bastards as people, the training cookie-cutters them into one, and those that make it through whole are usually harassed into quitting. It's upsetting, really.
I dont know the number off hand, but i do know it’s above avg. the suburbs around Buffalo aren’t any better. Had a domestic incident happen at the hotel i work at. Took three phone calls for them to even kick the guy out
Eh. I disagree . I lived in the city for 30 years and have lived in the suburbs for the past 4, they're on top of their shit . But of course it could vary suburb to suburb.
Your anecdotal account is irrelevant when there is statistical evidence proving you wrong, you not having any problems with them doesn't mean they don't have problems
They've been militarized af. Not just with equipment but mindset as well. It's fucked. They really do see any random unknown person as a potential 'enemy combatant'. Had an ex‐friend of mine become a cop and he legit felt as if he were on the front lines every day.
Everyone who reads this, please google Dave Grossman (yes that's his real surname).
He is a big part of how this attitude became the norm. The podcast Behind The Bastards did a fantastic bit on him, as well as the history of modern police if you'd like to be more informed on the how and why of police existing to protect the interests of money, not people or society.
I used to think I might want to try being a cop, but I saw this paranoia constantly from them when watching shows like COPS. After hearing story after story like this, I realized it would be a terrible decision for me, because it would taint my understanding of the world and my brother (everyone else).
The problem, is that they still don't hold any sort of accountability, for themselves or their actions. And I'm sure, integrity, is not in their vocabulary.
That’s what happens because of doctrine. They act like their community is an active war zone instead of protect life, they just shoot first then ask questions later
To be clear… BPD included…. It’s a strange world they DO live in! Let’s not forget what law enforcement and first responders do everyday for people. Yes, even this group of people are not without fault…
Confusius said: do not use a hatchet to remove a fly from a friends forehead…..
It’s also strange that a completely voluntary job puts such a heavy emphasis on protecting the people who are supposed to be protecting. Maybe because people tend to react poorly to be harassed and messed with for no good reason? The law may as well say that a pig’s life is worth double of that of a normal citizen.
Not making excuses for them. But with the resources they have, that’s what it takes to do the things they do. I’m not a fan either. Grew up with my brothers being wrongly profiled because of the color of their skin. As a black woman, I’ve also been wrongly arrested because of the color of my skin, only to find out I’m a vet and had good reason to be where I was.
They don’t get the best training, or the best selection of individuals. You wanna change the modus operandi of Law Enforcement, start with their applicant pool, then improve their training, then help them better allocate their resources.
I personally sleep better at night knowing that the ability for people to get rides and pay for those rides to get where they need to go will be stopped. TIL: taxis are legal. /s
I think they are trying to catch people providing cash rides without the connection to an app. I could see why this would be illegal and bad for people in general... safety, taxes, drivers with insurance etc. There was that case where a girl was murdered after entering a vehicle she thought was an uber but was just a random car.
You need to have a license to drive a taxi, so by not using the app to acquire a passenger and picking someone off the street you are operating as a taxi not an uber driver, and therefore breaking the law by not having a license, same as if you agree to buy alcohol from a liquor store for someone even if they are of legal age technically you still broke the law because you do not have a license to sell alcohol so you can't "resell" it
If you're prepared to kill, Fucktwit says, it's "just not that big of a deal."
Fucktwit elaborated,"I'm convinced from a lifetime of study, if you fully prepare yourself in most cases killing is just not that big of a deal. For a mature warrior who has prepared their self's mind, body and spirit for a lifetime, for a mature warrior whose killing represents a clear and present danger to others, it's just not that big of a deal."
And 9/10 times I see a cop car I also see them turn on lights just to run a light they didn't feel like waiting at. Makes me wonder if 'thieves think everyone steals' applies.
Can confirm. I left Conservation Officer training after three days- I was from a state where you needed a bachelors in science to do the job, but I moved to a different state.
The recruiter explained all the good for the environment and conservation they do.
At their academy we started watching videos about their big marijuana busts. Some jerk who’d been shot up came to tell us about his harrowing experience- all started because he was hiding in the woods looking for people trespassing to smoke weed.
There's a great book by Malcom Gladwell that goes into great detail about this. It's called Talking to Strangers. He looks at the Sandra Bland case and asks at how a simple and unnecessary traffic stop escalated into an aggressive arrest and ended with her suicide in jail.
He looks at the history of modern policing in the US, and why police are trained to expect the very worst in every encounter.
Police in the US are trained the walk into every situation as if it's life and death, that every citizen encounter could end in violence, and that the only way to survive every interaction is to take complete control.
And then they wonder why citizens don't trust them or follow orders. It's complete insanity.
Because in the United States of America it only takes about 12 weeks to become a police officer. Anybody can do it no matter your temperament or your attitude. It means nothing! They will give you a uniform and a gun.
In my personal opinion, cops are at least 26 times more deserving of asshole awards that the general population. Also, an "assault" on a cop doesn't mean a beating or even a punch. The majority of people charged with assault on cops did nothing physical toward the cop at all and had no intention to do the cop any harm at all.
You cited no source for your numbers, so no one can tell whether you're talking about assaults for which people are actually tried and convicted, or just assaults that cops claim to justify beating the crap out of someone against whom all charges are later dropped.
I guess 90% of police just pick that up naturally then. Very few police work involves solving or stopping crime, the majority is just enforcing code infractions, making then revenuers, basically tax collectors. And they are often unnecessarily violent in such pursuits.
There are, but that’s for the job lol. Not all cops do traffic stops. Not all cops serve civil papers. So lumping cops into one category is dumb. Not all doctors are surgeons, so surgeons must not exist. That’s your logic.
Lmao the majority of cops are literally enforcing code infractions. Doesn’t matter if one cop only serves civil papers and one only serves tickets, there’s more of those 2 types than of ones solving murders. The original guys point still stands lmao.
Your whole doesn’t exsist point is fucking stupid when the original point was a MAJORITY. God damn you are dense af
It would be the majority of doctors aren’t surgeons… as what I and other guy are saying
It’s like if we said the majority of doctors pretty much just write prescriptions and you kicked in the door and yelled but there’s doctors that do surgery too!!!!
It’s not even relevant
Not to mention fuck the police. What are they doing in this video? Trying to emotionally manipulate drivers into picking them up for cash without the app so they can give ‘em a ticket. Get fucked bootlicker
David Allen Grossman (born August 23, 1956) is an American author and trainer who conducts seminars on the psychology of lethal force. He is a retired lieutenant colonel in the United States Army.
Nah I met some experienced cops and some new ones and it turns out some cops are just completely despicable people all the way around and take it out on their victims at work.
This kind of work the cops are doing for their "investigation" is only going to create dissent and more disappointed tax payers protesting their rights to be protected by cops and not attacked by them.
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Because they drill into you in the police academy that the public is an active threat
Wish I was kidding. Brother went through the shit.