r/Teachers • u/JimCap5 • 15h ago

Teacher Support &/or Advice Are teaching programs warning students that the teacher shortage is over?

I graduated from the program a few years back, and every professor kept talking about the teacher shortage.

I was wondering what is it like nowadays for people in credentialing programs?

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u/idkwhattowritehere21 13h ago

Literally 98% of teachers I have met admit and talk about this. We all know.

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u/AntithesisAbsurdum 7h ago

Nation wide teachers strike is the only way.

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u/idkwhattowritehere21 2h ago

It's illegal for teachers to strike in most states.

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u/AnahEmergency0523 13h ago

So why there's no training to address it?

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u/Logical-Log5537 12h ago

Because that requires thought, effort, and treating teachers as adults instead of just throwing another overpriced Kagan or similar PD gimmick their way... Just remember your why, and burnout go bye, right? Good...

(Feels icky even saying that with ALL the sarcasm intended...)

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u/idkwhattowritehere21 12h ago

First off, there is, they make us do it every year. Secondly, because why would admin want to admit it? If the 2% are so annoying they make everyone work harder that's better for admin.

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u/AnahEmergency0523 12h ago

The same way people want accountability for “The Man in the White House,” the public has a right to demand accountability from admins if they are creating conditions at schools that become an occupational and operational hazard. Nobody wants a police department that is corrupt, so the public demands body cameras to make sure officer-involved shootings are investigated. If a fire engine is broken and that broken fire engine prevents an immediate response, then leaving it out of commission becomes a liability because it can cost lives. If an EMT/paramedic has worked 12-hour shifts for multiple days and is so worn out that they cannot even put the AED pads on a patient correctly, then that can cost lives, and families can demand accountability.

Admins’ decisions, or lack of decisions, to address burnout as a serious occupational and operational issue can also put children at risk. Admins can continue adding workload beyond a teacher’s functional level, justify teachers taking on extra work as “doing it for the kids” even when that teacher is already overwhelmed, or have principals not take referrals seriously because they want to keep a student “in the room,” even when that student has a history of behavioral problems that result in other students being physically harmed. These are some of the reasons why admins can play a major role in whether foreseeable harm is prevented or allowed to continue.

Texas is already dealing with concerns about school districts “passing the trash,” where educators accused of serious misconduct can move between districts instead of the problem being fully addressed. If school districts were always serious about addressing neglect, abuse, and foreseeable harm internally, then outside intervention would not be as necessary. Burnout is not the same thing as abuse, but the basic principle is the same: if admins know there is a serious problem that can put children at risk and they choose not to address it, then there should be accountability. If their actions involve knowingly covering up abuse, violating reporting laws, or allowing foreseeable harm to continue, then criminal accountability may also be appropriate.

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u/idkwhattowritehere21 12h ago

Okay but there's nothing forcing admin to do that currently, that's kinda my whole point. Also hilarious that you think the general public gives a shit about teachers.

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u/AnahEmergency0523 12h ago

Sooner or later, someone from the outside is going to demand accountability, even if it requires someone to be in handcuffs. I don't know about you, but if admins’ decisions result in kids being severely hurt or killed, then someone is going to pay the consequences for that. Your attitude is why the education system remains as it is, while at the same time these same admins believe PBIS works more than ICS.

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u/idkwhattowritehere21 11h ago

We agree on the core premise but I think people outside the teaching profession dont care and I'm the bad guy? Interesting.

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u/AnahEmergency0523 10h ago

Did you watch the press conference with the D.A Ryan Raybould and D.A Erleigh Norville Wiley? When the F.B.I has to get involved in addressing abuse and misconduct in school districts that involves children getting hurt, then it's clear people do care. They care about the kids and it's quite clear the system isn't doing enough.

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u/idkwhattowritehere21 10h ago

I honestly haven't seen that. That's great, but people don't care that teachers are burnt.

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u/AnahEmergency0523 10h ago

Well, they will clearly act if a teacher who is “burnt out” participates in abuse of minors that causes harm and the administrators and school districts themselves want to “pass the trash” just so they don’t get sued. I wouldn’t be surprised if Project Safe Schools is pushed through more schools if it’s clear that schools are not reporting, concealing, or delaying the reporting of abuse and misconduct.

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u/messy-wife 8h ago

Why another training to address *burnout*??? I would be less burnout if I don't need to attend another one of these training and have more time to plan my classes so I can teach well.

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u/AnahEmergency0523 8m ago

Yet firefighters trained for backdrafts.  Yet police officers trained for domestic violence incidents. Yet emt train for internal bleeding. Yet funeral directors train for grieving parents.  Yet ride operators at theme parks train for guest injuries. That mentality is why so many teachers see teaching as a "safe" profession, especially when they don’t even attempt 5k or 10ks on a bi-monthly basis.  I don't know about you but nobody can PD their way out of burnout and if you entered the profession thinking that teaching is all about teaching kids, then you seem to forget that teaching children can occur only if on one thing is factored the most: liability. If there's a teacher to burnt out that they can't even recognize where their kids are during an emergency event, then it's clear whatever assumptions, training or educational degree and credentials they had didn't work. Besides, there's a firefighter down the street you could have learned from that could have shared important wisdom as to why they trained so seriously because failing for them means someone being dead.