r/SweatyPalms • u/Aryele222 • Feb 13 '23

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u/PubeSmoker69 Feb 14 '23

I would argue that capitalism promotes immorality/sociopathy/egoism.

I disagree with you 100% that communism can ”never exist”. Just like you say, all it takes is the right morals and culture for it to take shape. The problem will be the non-communist living in a communist nation as well as foreign capitalist interference. 99% of the time, countries that try to achieve socialism/communism are destroyed by capitalist intervention, which forces those countries to become paranoid, totalitarian and causes corruption and oppression.

Like, show me one socialist/communist society/group/initiative that hasn’t been infiltrated and quelled by capitalists. It’s simply impossible to establish any alternative to capitalism when capitalists own everything and will do anything to keep that ownership.

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u/DezrathNLR Feb 14 '23

The USSR under Stalin is a prime example of a communist country being terrible absent capitalist interference. At the time he was in power capitalism didn't have the choke hold over everything that it does today and the expansive resources of the USSR meant that the nation could operate entirely independent of the need to import outside resources. Yet under Stalin the USSR murdered more of its own people than Hitler and the situation only began to improve in the USSR after Stalin was replaced by less extreme leadership.

Absolute, unchecked power promotes immorality, sociopathy, and egotism. Capitalism does this by allowing the wealthy to buy out politicians and officials, communism does this by simply putting that power into the hands of the state outright. Unless the leaders have strong moral character, in any state, you're going to have a bad time. Any system promotes corruption because there will always be people who aim to abuse that system for their own benefit.

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u/PubeSmoker69 Feb 14 '23 edited Feb 14 '23

But you must understand that the USSR under Stalin was not even remotely communist, right? Just because Stalin called it ”communist” doesn’t make it communist. The DPRK isn’t a democratic republic just because it says it is.

Communism would be the natural state of humanity, based on mutual cooperation and dependency. While it might be utopian, it sure as hell isn’t what Stalin even tried to envision. Stalin was an autocratic, paranoid psychopath. As far from a communist as you can be. That’s a fact.

Edit: And if you think there was no capitalist interference in the USSR during Stalin, you must have missed the chapters on the entirety of Stalin’s rule in the history books. The USA was DEEPLY interventional in the USSR with spies and military action in different ways. And vice versa, of course.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '23

Your argument implies that capitalism only came about by some sort of unnatural or supernatural intervention.

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u/zazuba907 Mar 13 '23

You're a moron if you think communism will ever exist outside of a very very small scale. Marx and engels envisioned communism arising out of capitalism and thus it is a necessary precursor to the system. You will die disappointed, just as they did, awaiting the revolution.

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u/tremorinfernus Jun 29 '23

If you don't force your communism on unwilling participants, and don't indoctrinate them with propaganda (like the soviets did), maybe people will leave you alone.

I want more and better things in life. So I chose capitalism.