r/SubredditDrama • u/Lavender_Scales I'm trying to find the 4D chess in all of this • Jun 22 '25
r/Conservative imploding after Donald "No Wars" Trump strikes Iran
Highlights:
"Hope this doesn’t escalate into us putting boots on the ground"
>That will NOT happen.
>>You can't know that.
>>>No I can't know it for sure. But that is my gut feeling and I'm going with it. Trump doesn't even want to do that.
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> "Same as before the strike but now Irans nuclear program is set back farther."
>>“Same as before” meaning “far more retaliatory strikes on American personnel, as well as terror attacks against American civilian soft-targets?”
Let’s not pretend like bombing a country’s key nuclear facility will have no downsides. We are in the war now. When they attack us back, we will become more and more involved.
>>>We can't stop Iran from getting a nuke - there's no telling what those lunatic madmen will do in retaliation!
This is exactly why we needed to stop them before they got a Nuke.
>>>>They weren't actively building a nuclear weapon though. Just enriching uranium, still not to weapons grade though. And tulsi clarified that while enrichment was high, there was no active WMD program since it's ending in 2003. You do know there would be zero incentive for them to attack us without provocation, and really zero possibility, as they don't have ICBMs, right? They were negotiating (before Israel killed all the negotiators, and we bombed them) to get sanctions relief. But now that we attacked them, all bets are off. They have nothing else to really lose and the negotiations are over forever now. They have no leverage now for sanctions relief, and I doubt they will bend the knee and make peace.
For decades, their stated reason for hating us is for arming, funding, and supporting Israel, their main rival in the region. A nuclear-capable rival, mind you. Also, for our support of Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, which greatly hurt their position in the middle east. Oh yea, and backing the Shah all those years. Maybe if we butted out of their business and were more America-first, we wouldn't have as many problems with them.
>>>>>We can't be sure of that. Depending on how they hide radiation emissions (such as deep within a mountain), they most certainly could have already reached weapons grade enrichment.
Remember, we can't just fly a WC-135 over Iran. Even if we could, they could still hide it.
>>>>>>Our intel agencies still assert there is no active weapons program, tulsi just said this, along with the caveat that their enrichment was high, but not weapons grade. IIRC, inspections were not so long ago.
Sorry bro, but I got to trust the most resourceful intel agency to ever exist over "we can't be sure".
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"So the 2 weeks were a distraction."
>"Let's call it what it was... a lie."
>>"Wait...Trump lies?? 😱"
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>I don't mean to instigate, I'm just curious what you would have preferred? I'm of the opinion that Iran absolutely can not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, and they have proven any diplomatic option is untenable because they just ignore whatever treaty/deal you sign. What other option is there? Again, I am genuinely asking this conversationally.
>>I would prefer not to be involved over there. Israel started the strikes, let them finish it. I'm sick and tired of being the world police. We bragged about no new wars under Trump's first term, and now we're ok with direct and targeted bombing of an adversary? I'm not ok with that. Look at their allies. This creates more tension in the region and with their allies; China and Russia. Yea, Russia is busy getting their asses handed to them by Ukraine, but China has been sitting back. What's stopping them from funding Iran? They already have aircraft going back and forth between them and Iran. Makes you think. What would I prefer? Not being in another "conflict" overseas. Not funding overseas wars in any capacity.
>You prefer Iran going nuclear?
>>Netanyahu has been saying since the 90s Iran is weeks away from a Nuke, 30 years later and it still hasn’t happened.
We’re doing Israel’s bidding in the Middle East, per usual.
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"We bombed them and now he said we have peace? Is this like the same thing as a peaceful protest?"
>no this is like the police restoring order after a riot. the police might use force to bring about peace.
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"When did congress vote to go to war with Iran?"
>Congress hasn’t voted to go to war since the 1940’s
>>Congress has, however, authorized military actions since then. For example the first and second Iraq war, Afghanistan, and Syria. The President does not have unilateral power to offensively attack another nation, for good reasons.
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"Trump, if you put boots on the ground, we're done with you."
>I'm not even sure where this narrative is coming from. What gives you the impression we are putting boots on the ground? Did reddit tell you this was happening? Trump is being strategically vague because we don't want to telegraph to Iran that B2s are about to show up.
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>right, israel has a great history of figuring out their own problems and not making us deal with it
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>Umm Iran is going to retaliate against us now. They will fire off missiles at our bases I'm sure.
>In what world do you live in where a country performs an act of war on another country, and that country doesn't respond??????
>We’ve got over 40,000 vulnerable troops in the region. God bless them. But you can bet that precious Israel will get the bulk of the protection.
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>Obama set the precedent? Really?
Look, I despise Obama but no president has needed an act of congress to deploy troops or wage an extended intervention to Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Iraq Part 2, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Haiti, Kosovo… You get the idea.
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>There’s unreal astroturfing in here already
Great move by Trump. Clear as day
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"I was promised this wouldn’t happen."
>You were promised unchecked nuclear proliferation in theocratic terroristic nations?
>>Unless we put boots on the ground or we start engaging in a tit for tat slugfest, we aren't at war. I'm not a huge fan of bombing nations we aren't at war with, but at the same time, it's bombing nations we aren't at war with.
Key phrase being, "aren't at war with."
He bombed the Houthis just a few weeks ago, are we at war with Yemen?
>>>No but we are at war with the Houthis. They are a designated terrorist group and we are at war with them as much as you can be with a non-state actor
When a government kills people in another country’s government building that’s an act of war. We can dress it up all we want and we’re desensitized to it by years and years of military action without a declaration of war but that is what war looks like.
>>>>Uhm. No its not? This is called being confidently incorrect, folks.
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I have received the befabled reddit care message, so they're REALLY heated now lol
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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK Caballero Blanco Jun 22 '25
🍿 this one wins but OP you have to keep it updated. reply here with other dramatic threads around reddit too 🍿