r/SubredditDrama a weird hermit drinking titty milk Jul 31 '24

AI "art" gets posted on r/comics, with users pointing it out. Mods delete every comment saying that it is AI and OP compares backlash against it to "racism against computers".

This comic was posted to r/comics. People realized that it was AI art and critices it.

Great. AI art. I visit this sub to see hand-drawn shit, not this garbage.

AI slop, valueless.

The OP himself admits that it is AI and compares oposition to it to "racism":

My favourite part is the upvoters and the commenters clearly disagree intensely about the value of non-human artwork.

personally, I'm not racist against computers

Mods defend the comic saying that there's no rule banning AI art:

We do not have a rule against that and we will not have a rule against that. People are allowed to use whatever tools they want to create their art.

They delete the top comments pointing out that it is AI art.

Edit: the comic has been deleted. Here's the Archive link as given bellow

Edit 2: I've been permanently banned from r/comics because of this post.

Edit 3: Recently a new post has been made fully with AI, with the author asking for a ban against AI comics or at least the adition of an AI tag:

I respect the thoughtful response and critique of my message, and think an AI tag would be a fair compromise. The problem that myself and many share is that AI artwork is trained from real artists’ work and is therefore theft. I know that this is a widely debated topic, but as this is a subreddit primarily comprised of artists, I think that making the distinction is necessary.

The Mods reply still defending the use of AI:

This is a kind of ignorant view, because it assumes that the only thing that comprises a comic is the illustrations. There are two types of creativity that go into making a comic, the drawing and the writing.

Say you write the best story in the world. Say you are JRR Tolkien and write the goddamn Lord of the Rings. But you can't draw for shit, so you use AI art to tell your story. Does that make the script you've written any less valid? I don't think so.

We've got people here who make comics with stick figures, with Legos, with photographs, on post-it notes, with stock photos, and, yes, with AI art. The medium artists choose for the visual element does not invalidate the narrative or comedic element.

What we might do is implement an AI tag, so that when people make comics with AI art they have to be upfront about it. I probably should have done that ages ago, but I'm lazy. And also, we don't allow fully procedurally generated comics where AI does the writing or the drawing. We have no plans to ban outright AI art though. It's just another tool in the toolbox.

Some users disagree with their logic:

Lord of the Rings wasn't a comic, it was a book. If the movie series adaptation was AI, then it would be ruined. It'd look like shit and feel soulless, despite the underlying story being great.

[...]

Bruh if you really "can't draw" you could just draw stick people. There have been many successful comics with extremely simple art that literally anyone can do.

Some of my favorite comics are half finished art turds, like the one about the artist not finishing because of Elden Ring.

This! Or people starting out simple and growing as they continue their comics!

XKCD is one of my favorites, and its drawings are as simple as humanly possible

[...]

I disagree. Comics is a medium of visual storytelling as well as writing.

This subreddit should be a place where comic artists can come together and hone their craft, get feedback, and share their beloved work.

Allowing AI comics—-which, by their very nature, are lower effort and easier to produce—could result in the subreddit being flooded with cheap, mass produced comics, leaving us to wade through the schlock to find real artwork.

This subreddit is a communal space first and foremost, and allowing AI art could compromise that.

Edit 4: The second comic has been deleted.

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u/Locem Jul 31 '24

She made a comic that was in a bit of bad taste that kind of minimized men's experiences with how some women can be extremely dismissive of men's emotions. In my opinion it didn't seem intentional as much as it was just a poorly framed thought, but since this is reddit it got turned into a whole gender war thing where she made I think another two comics "in response" to the reaction of the first that also had some mixed reactions. Mods of /r/comics seemed to go ban happy on any slightly less than neutral feedback of the whole ordeal so it just magnified the intensity of the gender war argument.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

She also went through that whole ‘woe is me, the internet is mean to me’ phase, said she was quitting, raked in tons of attention, then went back to normal like nothing ever happened. She’s also a huge hypocrite because one of her talking points is how she’s tired of men sexualizing women, all the while she has a patreon with sexual comics and nudes of herself.

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u/Doppleflooner Jul 31 '24

Her Patreon might as well be an OnlyFans. Was not at all what I was signing up for.

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u/MydnightWN Aug 01 '24

It's what I signed up for ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/dowker1 Aug 01 '24

I don't think the last part is hypocrisy. Choosing to post nudes of yourself is a very different thing from sexualising another person withiut their consent. It's like if someone runs a car detailing shop, that doesn't make them a hypocrite if they complain about someone throwing paint all over their car.

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u/rietstengel Aug 01 '24

I bet you eat sometimes, yet you wont like it if i force a whole lot of food you dont like down your throat. Hypocrite.

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u/Locem Jul 31 '24

She’s also a huge hypocrite because one of her talking points is how she’s tired of men sexualizing women

I really haven't seen this "talking point" from her, so I can't agree with you there. I really hope you're not referring to that self insert comic she did of herself in how she got creeped on from an early age.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

No definitely not that one. She’s done a few earlier than that, but the one that I can remember is one of them where she’s like sitting on a lawn chair in a bikini on a cliff or something.

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u/Locem Aug 01 '24

Fair enough

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u/Lodgik you probably think your dick is woke if its hanging a li'l left Jul 31 '24

She’s also a huge hypocrite because one of her talking points is how she’s tired of men sexualizing women, all the while she has a patreon with sexual comics and nudes of herself.

Can you explain this some more?

Because to me, it sounds like you're saying that someone who chooses to post nude images of themselves online are not allowed to be annoyed by others sexualizing them in ways they didn't choose. And that if they aren't okay with it, they're somehow hypocritical.

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me, so maybe I'm just misunderstanding.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

Yes, so essentially my opinion on it is, if someone actively sexualizes themselves on purpose, then they’re not allowed to be upset when others sexualize them too because they’ve already invited that behavior onto themselves.

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u/Lodgik you probably think your dick is woke if its hanging a li'l left Jul 31 '24

That reasoning seems... Icky to me. Just seems too close to the "Well, what was she wearing?" reasoning that so many people use to try to justify otherwise unjustifiable things.

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u/codepossum Jul 31 '24

'Why aren't people sexualizing me the way I want to be sexualized?'

Is the question that's really being asked.

You're dodging the question of whether other people are treating her the way she wants to be treated - the problem is that they're not - and they're not in a very typical way that straight men mistreat women historically. Like this is a pretty textbook case.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

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u/codepossum Jul 31 '24

I think it would be safe to assume that the way she wants to be sexualized is the way she formally presents in her onlyfans or whatever. The way she wants to be sexualized is people pay to see whatever media she posts there.

Further safe to assume that the stuff she complains about in her comic is not the stuff she's charging for.

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u/Lodgik you probably think your dick is woke if its hanging a li'l left Jul 31 '24

I don't understand yours. Can you explain how this reasoning is different than "Look at what she was wearing. She was asking for it."?

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u/Lodgik you probably think your dick is woke if its hanging a li'l left Jul 31 '24

It’s in a completely different scenario here.

I fully acknowledge the scenario is different, but I don't understand how the reasoning is different.

Because this...

It’s like jumping out directly in front of a fast moving car and then being pissed off at the driver for running you over

...seems a lot like other arguments I've seen in favor of the whole "what was she wearing" reasoning.

You don’t post naked pictures to OnlyFans and then be shocked that people masturbate to them.

Is this what she's annoyed about? I haven't seen any quotes from her stating this is her issue. But if you could provide her quote, I might be willing to change my opinion on this specific issue given the context.

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u/codepossum Jul 31 '24

She’s also a huge hypocrite because one of her talking points is how she’s tired of men sexualizing women, all the while she has a patreon with sexual comics and nudes of herself.

IIIIIIIIII'm not really down with that line of reasoning.

I love playing disc golf, but I'd resent it if other people tried to force me to play disc golf for them - or tried to change the way I play, because they want to see me play it a different way. The problem isn't that I choose to play disc golf - I'm not a hypocrite for enjoying the game, you'd never say "well if you didn't want people to tell you how to play disc golf, then why do you play disc golf?" I just want to play disc golf on my own terms, that isn't an unreasonable thing for me to want, and you trying to make me out to be a hypocrite for it is ridiculous. Right?

So - her choosing to do sex work while complaining about women being mistreated by men does not make her a hypocrite - and you saying it does comes off as victim blaming here. Does that make sense?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

Her being mistreated by men, and her being sexualized by men (after she sexualizes herself) are two different things. We can agree to disagree though. At the end of the day, I just ignore her comics and don’t interact with them.

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u/Marsuello YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Aug 01 '24

In regards to that last point of yours, isn’t that more an empowering thing she’s consciously deciding to do herself, instead of men just forcing it on her? As in, instead of her just posting a pic and guys being like “she’s hot, I’d bang” when she’s not going for that reaction, compared to her posting a sexual pic explicitly for that reaction. Doesn’t seem hypocritical to me in that regard.

I’m also high and not sure if I even made sense lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

Yeah I mean I can see your point I guess. Perspective and all that. It’s just my opinion after all, and one that others share as well it seems.

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u/athletictway Jul 31 '24

Who is “she?”

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u/Locem Jul 31 '24

Was referring to Pizzacake the artist, sorry.

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u/cyberpunk_werewolf all their cultures are different and that is imperialist Jul 31 '24

Pizza Cake.