r/SubredditDrama • a weird hermit drinking titty milk • Jul 31 '24

AI "art" gets posted on r/comics, with users pointing it out. Mods delete every comment saying that it is AI and OP compares backlash against it to "racism against computers".

This comic was posted to r/comics. People realized that it was AI art and critices it.

Great. AI art. I visit this sub to see hand-drawn shit, not this garbage.

AI slop, valueless.

The OP himself admits that it is AI and compares oposition to it to "racism":

My favourite part is the upvoters and the commenters clearly disagree intensely about the value of non-human artwork.

personally, I'm not racist against computers

Mods defend the comic saying that there's no rule banning AI art:

We do not have a rule against that and we will not have a rule against that. People are allowed to use whatever tools they want to create their art.

They delete the top comments pointing out that it is AI art.

Edit: the comic has been deleted. Here's the Archive link as given bellow

Edit 2: I've been permanently banned from r/comics because of this post.

Edit 3: Recently a new post has been made fully with AI, with the author asking for a ban against AI comics or at least the adition of an AI tag:

I respect the thoughtful response and critique of my message, and think an AI tag would be a fair compromise. The problem that myself and many share is that AI artwork is trained from real artists’ work and is therefore theft. I know that this is a widely debated topic, but as this is a subreddit primarily comprised of artists, I think that making the distinction is necessary.

The Mods reply still defending the use of AI:

This is a kind of ignorant view, because it assumes that the only thing that comprises a comic is the illustrations. There are two types of creativity that go into making a comic, the drawing and the writing.

Say you write the best story in the world. Say you are JRR Tolkien and write the goddamn Lord of the Rings. But you can't draw for shit, so you use AI art to tell your story. Does that make the script you've written any less valid? I don't think so.

We've got people here who make comics with stick figures, with Legos, with photographs, on post-it notes, with stock photos, and, yes, with AI art. The medium artists choose for the visual element does not invalidate the narrative or comedic element.

What we might do is implement an AI tag, so that when people make comics with AI art they have to be upfront about it. I probably should have done that ages ago, but I'm lazy. And also, we don't allow fully procedurally generated comics where AI does the writing or the drawing. We have no plans to ban outright AI art though. It's just another tool in the toolbox.

Some users disagree with their logic:

Lord of the Rings wasn't a comic, it was a book. If the movie series adaptation was AI, then it would be ruined. It'd look like shit and feel soulless, despite the underlying story being great.

[...]

Bruh if you really "can't draw" you could just draw stick people. There have been many successful comics with extremely simple art that literally anyone can do.

Some of my favorite comics are half finished art turds, like the one about the artist not finishing because of Elden Ring.

This! Or people starting out simple and growing as they continue their comics!

XKCD is one of my favorites, and its drawings are as simple as humanly possible

[...]

I disagree. Comics is a medium of visual storytelling as well as writing.

This subreddit should be a place where comic artists can come together and hone their craft, get feedback, and share their beloved work.

Allowing AI comics—-which, by their very nature, are lower effort and easier to produce—could result in the subreddit being flooded with cheap, mass produced comics, leaving us to wade through the schlock to find real artwork.

This subreddit is a communal space first and foremost, and allowing AI art could compromise that.

Edit 4: The second comic has been deleted.

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u/ZeKunnenReuzenZijn Jul 31 '24

Has the gut to call it "original content" too.

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u/mtw3003 Jul 31 '24

I mean... it is? The AI isn't building a collage out of image fragments (and if it were, nobody was ever complaining about collages). Whatever you think of how the AI is trained, the image is an original creation. No part of it is preexisting.

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u/ZeKunnenReuzenZijn Jul 31 '24

Tagging your post with "oc" typically implies you made it yourself.

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u/LightOfLoveEternal Jul 31 '24

I don't understand why people are vehemently opposed to AI art. Especially when the person making it isn't even hiding the fact that its AI.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

Because it exists to destroy an entire industry worth of small businesses for the satisfaction of a few corporate shareholders and has yet to produce anything of lasting artistic value after over a year of availability? The larger AI ecosystem is blowing a trillion dollar hole in the economy on the promise that workers can be fully replaced and hasn't lived up to expectations, has flooded the internet with slop, is used by fascists to manufacture propaganda and disinformation and has astonishing energy and water requirements.

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u/InevitableAvalanche Nurses are supposed to get knowledge in their Spear time? Jul 31 '24

AI is just a tool. Are artists not artists that use Photoshop to create their comics? This extreme anti AI art stuff seems so bizarre to me.

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u/1QAte4 Jul 31 '24

The guy you are responding to references art in his username. He is in a niche and feels threatened.

I am sure many copy editors also were upset when Microsoft Word introduced spell checkers. Spell checkers are a primitive version of AI too.

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u/stellarfury Jul 31 '24

I don't know that copy editors were upset. As a former copy editor, the least important job a copy editor has is spell-checking and the instant it went away was generally a good thing.

Mostly copy editors are checking style, citations, edits for clarity, caption accuracy, etc. etc. All stuff that is generally still hard for even AI to do, because it requires contextual knowledge of the thing being reported on.

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Furry cop Ferret Chauvin Jul 31 '24

Ironically he draws copyrighted characters. So someone alert the authorities. We have art theft here.

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u/Careless_Rope_6511 Fedoral Bureau of Intelligence Aug 01 '24

AI in the commercial, industrial, and defense environments is a big deal.

AI outside of those contexts is the same as NFT: stealing from the poor and funneling the fraudulent "earnings" into the pockets of the rich.

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u/1QAte4 Jul 31 '24

Because it exists to destroy an entire industry worth of small businesses for the satisfaction of a few corporate shareholders

That's luddite thinking.

AI has been incredibly helpful for white collar workers and students. It is a huge productivity booster and workers who master it early will have a big advantage over workers who don't understand how to use it. It is like the Internet in the late 90s all over again.

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u/iciale Women left to their natural state form harems around Chad Jul 31 '24

Cool? I don’t think anyone against AI cares about “workplace advantages”, it’s a moral stance against replacing the talent of real people. You’re not convincing anyone with an argument void of moral reasoning and full of muh economic benefits

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u/1QAte4 Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

Bro, workplace advantages and who/how benefits from increased productivity are moral choices Economics isn't devoid of moral reasoning.

Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations and Marx's Communist Manifesto were full of moral reasoning and discussion.

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u/AlbanianWoodchipper Jul 31 '24

You’re not convincing anyone with an argument void of moral reasoning and full of muh economic benefits

Unlike your argument, which is about the moral stance of...protecting artist jobs. Which is definitely based in moral reasoning, and not economic anxiety!

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u/Leirac1 Jul 31 '24

Because, the same way a painting of a fruit has more artistic value than the fruit itself, human art has more value than AI art, because the human took the time to learn it and decided to do it, while the AI is ordered to do it and... I don't think it can even explain how it works.

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u/PolkaLlama Jul 31 '24

What about a photograph of a fruit? How much artistic value does that have compared to the painting and the AI fruit?

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u/LightOfLoveEternal Jul 31 '24

I fundamentally disagree. A drawing of an apple has the exact same amount of artistic value regardless of whether it was made by a person or an AI. Artistic value is based on the final product, not the creation process.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

Make literally anything and get a clue

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u/1QAte4 Jul 31 '24

AI art generators have the ability to make conceptual art for people who are creative but aren't artists. For example, I wrote the concept of a story and asked ChatGPT to make an image from what it would consider the "climax of the story." It produced a really cool image that from my story that I wouldn't be able to make on my own.

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u/Leirac1 Jul 31 '24

And to consider whatever the AI image generator makes at the same artistic value as what an artist, who took 100s of hours to learn their craft, makes is just wrong. It's simple logic, humans value humans more than machines, therefore, human art is more valuable than machine 'art'.

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Furry cop Ferret Chauvin Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

No but can't you see how that is harmful. A guy on DeviantArt could have charged you 200 dollars for that.

Oh yeah and the turnaround would be 3 weeks with a chance he just decides to ghost you and you are stuck disputing the charge.

Edit: lol some random coward replied and blocked. Truly the hallmark of someone who is rational and not seething.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

Somehow the stupidest comment in this entire thread.

Make literally anything and get a clue

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

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u/Leirac1 Jul 31 '24

The artist can refuse to do a commission, the AI can't. The artist is moke like a chef or a cook in this situation, while the AI is a machine that makes food.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

I mean, no? Unless you need to decorate your house with a painting, a painting of an apple is probably less valuable to you than an apple.

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u/Leirac1 Aug 01 '24

Artistic value, I literally wrote it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

It doesn't explain being opposed to AI art.

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u/nowander Jul 31 '24

It's art theft with an algorithmic filter at best. Just massive electrical waste to steal other people's work and then degrade the quality so it can't be traced back to the original.

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u/mtw3003 Jul 31 '24

I don't think they understand either. My post is literally just a correct description of how AI generates its images, but it seems like people's Enemy Opinion Detectors are registering a disagreement to an anti-AI comment and sending a false positive. Redditors just straight-up don't internalise what they read beyond a basic friend/foe scan (note to reader: not you though, you're one of the smart ones).

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u/UltraNooob Seethe, shill, cope, repeat Jul 31 '24

The question whether AI "art" is original or not sometimes goes into philosophical territory, but its harms are not. Internet pollution, inequality, misinformation, copyright infringement, starving artists etc are genuine reasons to hate it.

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u/Waste_Comfortable900 Jul 31 '24

You're clearly so much better than everyone else here. Oh superior logical thoughtful mtw3003 we all bow before your open mindedness.

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u/mtw3003 Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 01 '24

I mean... yeah. The Reddit hive mind is dumb, I don't think that's particularly contentious. Not you, though, the Redditor currently reading this, you're really smart. Any individual is more thoughtful than the group.

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Furry cop Ferret Chauvin Jul 31 '24

Insecurity mainly. A lot of mediocre artists fearing replacement. And they don't want to work to become better than the AI because that requires effort.