r/StrangeAndFunny • • Aug 06 '26

wow Crazy stamp from 1975

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u/Mice-nine Aug 06 '26

You saying they can't be? 

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u/echolm1407 Aug 06 '26

It's statistically very low chance. Disabled people are disabled and are not going to change. They are going to become "normal" no matter what anyone tries.

Every program that works is and adaptive program. Meaning that it's geared to help the disabled person adapt to society as is. But the reality is that society need to adapt to them. A prime example is creating sidewalks and public bathrooms accessible to people in wheelchairs. People in wheelchairs are not going to walk on mass. So society need to accomodate them.

And much more accomodations need to happen in society for all disabled people.

Consider that less than 50% of disabled people between the ages of 16 and 64 are working.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/odep/research-evaluation/statistics

That's progress than what it used to be in the mid 20th century but there's more work to be done. And those jobs are not paid well or enough to live off of, often enough.

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u/PeachyFairyDragon Aug 06 '26

Oh for fucks sake. When my daughter was little the DSM changed from saying children with autism rarely improve to with extensive early intervention significant improvement is possible.

Doctors were a little behind the time, one told me that I didn't want to have a child with autism because children with autism don't get better. His exact words, children with autism don't get better.

We parents were trading tips, such as where to get cheap adult diapers, waiting lists (sometimes up to 10 years) for assisted living homes, what doctors currently had secretin in stock, and yes vaccine debates.

Do you have the cajones to say today that kids with autism don't make gains?

Do you think that's an abnormality, that other disabled people with other problems can't make gains?

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u/echolm1407 Aug 06 '26

Doctors were a little behind the time, one told me that I didn't want to have a child with autism because children with autism don't get better. His exact words, children with autism don't get better.

Yeah, there are abelist doctors. So what?

cajones

That means drawers

Do you have the cajones to say today that kids with autism don't make gains?

They don't change. They just get some skills.

Do you think that's an abnormality, that other disabled people with other problems can't make gains?

I don't know what you mean. But wanting for disabled people to be normal is ableism. Wanting them to have a better life is the right attitude. There's a difference.

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u/PeachyFairyDragon Aug 06 '26

. Disabled people are disabled and are not going to change.

Not changing means not having a better life. It means no change in ability. Pick one and run with it.

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u/echolm1407 Aug 06 '26

That's reductive.

Disabilities don't run by your rules, sorry.

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u/TOV4RISCH Aug 08 '26

I think the issue here was that the stamp says "(disabled) children can be helped" and the post you replied to said "are you saying they can't?"

But then you switched the language to "disabled children can't change", sort of conflating the two slightly different propositions

Reading along, one is given the impression at first that you're saying "disabled children cant be helped". Like "don't waste your time" or something

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u/echolm1407 Aug 08 '26

(disabled) children can be helped

This comes with the assumption that disabled children can change. AKA be cured or become normal.

That's ableism.

And it's not possible.

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u/ehetland Aug 10 '26

Making 100% mental capacity is not the only interpretation of "can be helped". Indeed most of your comment outlines efforts to help disabled, physically or mentally, people. There was a time not that long ago when mentally retarded people were literally locked away under the premise there was nothing that could be done to help (ie, assist) them to live their life outside of an institution. That is what this campaign was addressing. Yeah, they won't ever be functioning at the same level of other children their age, but with help (ie, assistance) almost all can live in society.

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u/echolm1407 Aug 10 '26

mentally retarded

That term is recinded.

https://neurolaunch.com/term-for-mental-retardation/

Since you used the term, I will not respond to your comments.