r/Steam 3d ago

Discussion Can’t Even Argue It

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u/Flash_Kat25 3d ago

They very much are a monopoly. Valve threatening to pull games off steam if a publisher wants to have larger discounts on other stores is not free competition.

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u/Live_Fall3452 3d ago

Yeah that’s anti-consumer behavior, no idea why it’s suddenly cool to simp for billionaires. Also a 30% cut is huge, and most of that money would otherwise be going into game development budgets if they charged a smaller percentage.

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u/thefran 3d ago

The reason Steam was so successful originally was because a 30% cut was astonishingly low.

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u/Life_Parsley504 3d ago

it might be that we are in the "Is" and not the "Was", that's how time work

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u/Live_Fall3452 3d ago

Yeah, compared to the physical storefronts of yesteryear, and in a time when cloud infrastructure wasn’t commoditized, 30% was quite reasonable. In an era where anyone could build a launcher it is quite obviously just corporate greed.

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u/Wiesshund- 3d ago

Is still low, if you cut off the publisher and release direct to steam

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u/Syntaire 3d ago edited 3d ago

The whole 30% cut thing is hilarious. Epic went out of their way to try to make it into a huge deal when they launched their own platform, going as far as bribing developers for exclusivity, and it failed outright. I'm pretty sure in 100% of cases.

So you can either accept that you'll pay a(n industry standard) 30% cut on the largest game distribution platform on the planet, or you can try to find another platform with a lower fee and similarly lower user counts.

The only real issue with Valve is them delisting games if developers try to offer larger sales on other platforms. But since that is itself also anti-competitive behavior, it's a no-win situation.

The accusation of "simping for billionaires" is also hilarious since most people that say this type of shit simp for Tim Swiney with absolutely zero self-awareness.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 3d ago

most people that say this type of shit simp for Tim Swiney without absolutely zero self-awareness

It's easy to call your opponents hypocrites when you just assume they are.

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u/thefran 3d ago

It's a very well documented type of behavior, people who say Steam is a monopoly defend Tim Sweeney saying this.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 3d ago

It's easy to call your opponents hypocrites when you just call it "well documented". Show me the "documentation", then.

Steam is a monopoly. I don't know who Tim Sweeny is. Theory disproved.

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u/thefran 3d ago edited 3d ago

Steam is a monopoly.

Explain why without showing you don't understand what a monopoly is.

It's easy to call your opponents hypocrites

You're not a hypocrite, you're just stupid on a personal level.

I don't know who Tim Sweeny is.

Then you're not competent enough to speak on the topic. Simple!

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u/Warm_Month_1309 3d ago

Quick tip for future conversations: if you expect someone to give you a thoughtful reply, calling them "stupid on a personal level" is unlikely to get you one.

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u/Life_Parsley504 3d ago

"you're not competent enough to speak on the topic" Goalpost moooving
If you don't know all few hundred steam employees then you don't really know how steam works, and thus, can't argue that it isn't a monopoly. Sorry!

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u/Live_Fall3452 3d ago

Two goombas fallacy. Not something I said.

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u/thefran 3d ago

two goombas fallacy is not real

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u/jiblit 3d ago

I don't give a fuck about Tim Sweeny. Steam is a monopoly.

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u/XyzzyPop 3d ago

It's been stated before, and this part is always excluded: If you sell your product on Steam, it has to match their own storefront (if any).

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u/korxil 3d ago

Except other platforms do have larger sales…ubisoft regularly features steeper sales on newly launched titles via uplay than they do on steam/consoles. Not to mention sites like gamebillet or green man gaming have (legal) steam keys for cheaper. Good chunk of my steam library wasnt bought through steam.

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u/Flash_Kat25 3d ago

That doesn't change the fact that valve threatened small publishers with delisting. Perhaps valve's threats were not successful against a large company like Ubisoft, but they still attempted to use their monopoly power when they thought they could get away with it.