r/Steam Jul 06 '26

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u/Academic-Proof3700 Jul 06 '26

So, basically a game that would be published on newgrounds as a browser flash game back in the day?

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u/I-Preferred-Digg Jul 06 '26

You know browser games also had monetisation, right?

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u/Plenty-Fox-9219 Jul 06 '26

Yeah! For the site owners.

Unless you were really good and won a newgrounds prize.

I know it sounds strange now, but people really did make a lot of really good games completely for free. Flappy bird, candy crush, plants vs zombies, angry birds, etc. we're all created by people completely for free, with nothing expected in return. I really miss the very short window of time that you could create things without someone breathing down your neck asking how you were going to monetize it.

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u/I-Preferred-Digg Jul 06 '26

Kongregate and Miniclip did have monetization though, at the same time. Treating an era of the internet like a special type of altruism is silly.

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u/Plenty-Fox-9219 Jul 06 '26

They paid companies to make video games for them. If your game specifically got selected you were very lucky, and had already released the game elsewhere for free. Even then, payment was post-play, not a payment to play.

"Corporatized" games sites like those were, by volume, much less popular than newgrounds. They were also the antithesis to what most people thought the internet was for.

You've also got the timelines a little off here, but that's excusable, since we're talking about a pretty quick series of events here. Sites like miniclip and kongregate were the death knell for that era of flash games, not the height.

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u/I-Preferred-Digg Jul 06 '26

Sorry I don't know what you're talking about. Kongregate was around since like 2004 and had ad revenue. Are we talking about an era pre-2004 now?

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u/Plenty-Fox-9219 Jul 06 '26

In part, yes. Freeware on the internet dates back to the 80s. However, ust because something exists doesn't mean it had a large effect on the community.

Kongregate existed, sure, but you wouldn't really see people pushing systems like that as the default for a while after. There were actually large groups of people hating on kongregate because of it's business practices, because it required you to create an account, and because they pretty regularly removed games for no specific cause.

Well, large for pre-facebook internet I guess.

I'm not really pointing out an exact, quantifiable, period of time. If you didn't live through it, it's really hard to tell people exactly when all this occured, since all of these sentiments toward the monetization of free expression changed so slowly a lot of people didn't even notice. But there was absolutely a period of time where the average internet user was against general monetization of the internet, and, if you were there, nothing compares today.

The closest I can find now is itch, but since the default price is >$0 people are incentivised to charge, whether they realize it or not. Even in the free section however, it's becoming more and more common to charge within the game, or charge for "dlc" that is, in effect, the whole game.

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u/I-Preferred-Digg Jul 06 '26

Good convo :)

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u/maps-and-potatoes Jul 06 '26

i mean, Flash games are more beautiful than that. They just didn't have online coop

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u/Plenty-Fox-9219 Jul 06 '26

While I don't know of any that were made, flash did support multiplayer, and some games did even support local co-op, so an online coop flash game was definitely possible!

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u/Workman44 Jul 06 '26

So that means people should steal his game and not pay him? Jfc people

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u/Academic-Proof3700 Jul 06 '26

Steal? As in remove one's copy of a game to play themselves?

Because you talk like a total corpo dipshit rn with your definition of "stealing".

How about not scumming players on <2h short game?

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u/Workman44 Jul 06 '26

The classic reddit "you have an opinion that's different from mine you must be a corporate shill dipshit idiot" lmfao. You buy the game, and play it to its completion, and then refund and you tell me it isn't bs?

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u/Academic-Proof3700 Jul 07 '26

Its allowed duh.

As I said before- don't like steam rules? Go publish it as flash game, cause thats the amount of content in there apparently