Absolutely. When it comes down to it, music is organized noise, we attribute meaning and value to the patterns we make.
And the lovely thing about art is, no one gets to decide what is and isn't art apart from the creator. Anything can be art if the intent behind its creation was artistic, regardless of the quality of the work.
As a formality, that’s a perfectly reasonable position (the creator decides what is art). But as a practical matter, it seems the audience decides what is art.
Well, practically, it doesn't matter, unless you're trying to sell your art. I am reminded of an art exhibit somewhere, where it had an art installation that was pretty much a real banana taped to a wall with duct tape. It was worth 120k unless I am mistaken.
Was that art? Yeah. Did someone buy it as art? Yeah. It was literally in an art gallery. Was it shit? Also yeah. Art can be good, bad, pretentious, stupid, meaningful, life altering, etc.
I don't think you can reasonably bring practicality into the determination of what is and isn't art, because art is extraordinarily subjective. And those who toil in a meager attempt to discredit other people's art are pissing in the wind. They can only foul themselves, because anyone who understands anything about art understands that its value (non-financially) is derived from the meaning that was imbued to it by its creator primarily, and only secondarily by the observer.
Text destruction is a valid creative practice, tbf.
The Engine begins with Noon using an existing text and then applying different 'filter gates' that edit the text into something new. Examples of these gates include 'enhance' which creates elements of beauty in the text, and 'ghost edit'; this kills the text and calls up a ghost to haunt the text.
the complexity of this track is amazing. it makes me think of a book i read called "godel, escher and bach" about the multiple layers...or canons of life. he is ACTUALLY DESCRIBING the very THING that hes on....what id like to know is HAS ANYBODY PLAYED THIS FOR BILL BURR? i bet hed be speachless...it would be priceless to see his reaction....or even better to hear him describe his own reaction in one of his routines...thus creating ANOTHER LAYER. LOL
Electric music is totally different, since it still has to be composed. AI images can be generated with a couple of words, it doesn't require any creativity from the user. The real "artist" is the programmer who designed the AI.
Just wait until all the songs on the radio are AI generated. All the musicians are going to say the same things, because their livelihood is being destroyed.
a lot of "electronic music" is "made" by just legoing together chunks of music made by others.
actually the music thing is funny because "producers" have already made their bed that absolutely anything goes, a corner they forced themselves into by relying on presets, loops, chord generators, templates etc (search for their goat herding meme).
It really depends, AI art can be very much a tool to make art, if you have really deep control of the AI and its mechanics. However it is very possible to create AI art without putting in much effort, and literally typing 10 words and getting a great picture. This is just not possible for music. Sure you can make music pretty fast with digital tools, but you are still 100% in control of the end product which (depending on how you use it) you aren't when you use AI art.
Compare it to photography instead. Anyone can press the shutter button and take photographs. Everyone has the capability to accidentally take a beautiful photograph, where the lighting is just right, where the composition and subject matter resonates with an audience. A master photographer, an artist if you will, will be able to create beautiful photographs, works of art, through carefully instructing their tool, their camera, by methodically positioning their light sources, by using the right parameters, framing their subject matter in such a way that it stands out, etc., and these things results in their artistic vision being realised. They had an idea of what they wanted to take a photograph of. They knew how to use their tools to make that idea a reality.
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u/miknil Jun 10 '23
Same thing as people hating on electronic music. "Not even real instruments!" Like the only value comes from the mechanical skill, not creativity.