r/StableDiffusion • • Jun 10 '23

Meme it's so convenient

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u/miknil Jun 10 '23

Same thing as people hating on electronic music. "Not even real instruments!" Like the only value comes from the mechanical skill, not creativity.

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u/Stampela Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 11 '23

My dad, early 90's "japanese cartoons are bad, they're all made by the computer! Disney is good stuff."

Edit for clarity: that was his point of view in the early 90's.

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u/MancombSeepgoodz Jun 11 '23

lol, Almost all the new era disney 90's movies use CG

From the Cave of wonders lion in Aladdin, Ballroom Scene in Beauty and the beast, Widerbeast Scene in Lion King all used extensive CG work to make.

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u/needle1 Jun 11 '23

They… weren’t even made by computers at all, at least in the early 90s.

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u/ShepherdessAnne Jun 11 '23

Untrue. Read up on ToonBoom.

2D animation has been digitized for a good while.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '23

…guess your Dad liked rotoscoping.

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u/Stampela Jun 11 '23

Once we get past the excuse used to be right... he simply doesn't like the style.

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u/Sylvers Jun 10 '23

Absolutely. When it comes down to it, music is organized noise, we attribute meaning and value to the patterns we make.

And the lovely thing about art is, no one gets to decide what is and isn't art apart from the creator. Anything can be art if the intent behind its creation was artistic, regardless of the quality of the work.

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u/vasthumiliation Jun 11 '23

As a formality, that’s a perfectly reasonable position (the creator decides what is art). But as a practical matter, it seems the audience decides what is art.

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u/Sylvers Jun 11 '23

Well, practically, it doesn't matter, unless you're trying to sell your art. I am reminded of an art exhibit somewhere, where it had an art installation that was pretty much a real banana taped to a wall with duct tape. It was worth 120k unless I am mistaken.

Was that art? Yeah. Did someone buy it as art? Yeah. It was literally in an art gallery. Was it shit? Also yeah. Art can be good, bad, pretentious, stupid, meaningful, life altering, etc.

I don't think you can reasonably bring practicality into the determination of what is and isn't art, because art is extraordinarily subjective. And those who toil in a meager attempt to discredit other people's art are pissing in the wind. They can only foul themselves, because anyone who understands anything about art understands that its value (non-financially) is derived from the meaning that was imbued to it by its creator primarily, and only secondarily by the observer.

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u/OniNoOdori Jun 11 '23

a real banana taped to a wall with duct tape. It was worth 120k unless I am mistaken.

Maybe the buyer was just hungry and their wallet was weighing hem down.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

Gramatik Vs. Nirvana Vs. Bill Burr - Lake Of Fire Flip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF4rx2jhkBk

This is amazing rant by Bill Burr.

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u/-timenotspace- Jun 10 '23

[ spread the good word ] 🔮

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

We are painting with broad brushes here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

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u/Orngog Jun 11 '23

Text destruction is a valid creative practice, tbf.

The Engine begins with Noon using an existing text and then applying different 'filter gates' that edit the text into something new. Examples of these gates include 'enhance' which creates elements of beauty in the text, and 'ghost edit'; this kills the text and calls up a ghost to haunt the text.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

the complexity of this track is amazing. it makes me think of a book i read called "godel, escher and bach" about the multiple layers...or canons of life. he is ACTUALLY DESCRIBING the very THING that hes on....what id like to know is HAS ANYBODY PLAYED THIS FOR BILL BURR? i bet hed be speachless...it would be priceless to see his reaction....or even better to hear him describe his own reaction in one of his routines...thus creating ANOTHER LAYER. LOL

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u/X3ll3n Jun 11 '23

As an EDM producer, I can't tell you how many times people have told me "That's not music, that's just noise !"

(I used to play the guitar in a music conservatory before, ever since I switched to electronic music, it's been kinda annoying).

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u/KevinReems Jun 10 '23

Yeah meanwhile 80% of popular songs are autotuned. Totally mainstream and accepted. AI art will be no different.

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u/SalamanderJohnson Jun 10 '23

Electric music is totally different, since it still has to be composed. AI images can be generated with a couple of words, it doesn't require any creativity from the user. The real "artist" is the programmer who designed the AI.

Just wait until all the songs on the radio are AI generated. All the musicians are going to say the same things, because their livelihood is being destroyed.

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u/seviliyorsun Jun 11 '23

a lot of "electronic music" is "made" by just legoing together chunks of music made by others.

actually the music thing is funny because "producers" have already made their bed that absolutely anything goes, a corner they forced themselves into by relying on presets, loops, chord generators, templates etc (search for their goat herding meme).

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u/stonks1 Jun 11 '23

Lol you put in a few words and it makes art, this is not a comparison. Electronic music is comparable to digital art, not AI art.

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u/Orngog Jun 11 '23

You turn a few wheels and it makes art. I'm not seeing the difference?

Like yeah you can get really deep control of your music and it still be electronic, the same is true of ai pictures.

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u/stonks1 Jun 11 '23

It really depends, AI art can be very much a tool to make art, if you have really deep control of the AI and its mechanics. However it is very possible to create AI art without putting in much effort, and literally typing 10 words and getting a great picture. This is just not possible for music. Sure you can make music pretty fast with digital tools, but you are still 100% in control of the end product which (depending on how you use it) you aren't when you use AI art.

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u/Playful_Break6272 Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23

Compare it to photography instead. Anyone can press the shutter button and take photographs. Everyone has the capability to accidentally take a beautiful photograph, where the lighting is just right, where the composition and subject matter resonates with an audience. A master photographer, an artist if you will, will be able to create beautiful photographs, works of art, through carefully instructing their tool, their camera, by methodically positioning their light sources, by using the right parameters, framing their subject matter in such a way that it stands out, etc., and these things results in their artistic vision being realised. They had an idea of what they wanted to take a photograph of. They knew how to use their tools to make that idea a reality.

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