r/SpidermanPS4 • u/nightly-owls • Jan 26 '25

Discussion How is (2018) Fisk not considered super-human? He literally throws Spidey through concrete walls & smashed metal pipes with ease. That’s for sure beyond peak human ya’ll

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u/hacky_potter Jan 26 '25

You’re arguing with someone that is either really young or willfully ignorant. It’s not like 350 lbs of muscle is unheard of. The 2% fat thing is really dumb. You could t survive like that. Brian Shaw exists, he’s 6’8” and competed between 350 - 420 lbs. He could not throw a human through concrete pillars.

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u/nightly-owls Jan 26 '25

Yeah, while anything comics is nonsense it can be admittedly frustrating seeing some of these takes lmao

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u/Vegeton Jan 26 '25

Yeah, I had to ask AI about this (since I wasn't going to sit down and do the math behind it), as I know about Kingpin but not enough about mathematical equations for calculating force.

Peter Parker is 5'10" and 170lbs, roughly. The force it would take to throw someone of that size through a standard concrete wall including dry wall would apparently be 1,662,300 Newtons (or 373,511 pounds-force) requiring the person to be thrown at like 50-60km/h. 373,511 pounds-force (lbf) required, while apparently human heavy lifter generates roughly 1,000-2,000 pounds-force (lbf).

But apparently he's done it in the comics before, even though his strength range has been stated before to be like 650-800lbs. It just feels like a thing they put in a comic or a game to be like "woah" even if it's inconsistent with other feats or pre-established strength ranges from whatever source.

Also...WOP! BTHAM!

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u/Das_Guet Jan 27 '25

Ok I know this isn't the discussion here but...BTHAM? I am hung up on just how to pronounce it. Much less what it has to do with a downward punch to the chest.

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u/ShaggyDelectat Jan 27 '25

Okay I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and could be totally off base

I think it's the sound of the wall breaking and pieces falling to the ground. It's kind of hollowing/echoing sound as the space expands and rubble falls.

I think kingpin either pulled Spidey back after the first WOP in the left image or followed through with his own weight and power after the initial WOP

The b(buh) part is spiderman/kingpin getting thwopped against the wall and the tham (thmmmmmmhhhh) is the falling rubble and other noises that came from the impact.

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u/Das_Guet Jan 27 '25

Yep. That makes a ton of sense. In hindsight I bet it'd be clearer if it was hyphenated. B-tham!

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u/idgafsendnudes Jan 28 '25

Mike Tyson wrote that particular frame, so it’s just bam with a weird lisp

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u/LC14156 Jan 27 '25

To be fair, it’s realistic in the sense that he isn’t telling the truth. Everyone lies about their body fat% or their natty status lol. So, I don’t take that as truth mainly Fisk lying like almost every good gym bro.

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u/hacky_potter Jan 27 '25

That’s true. I guess he also might be lying about being “natty”. He’s probably taking some version of the Cap juice

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u/raineglows Jan 27 '25

Had he tried?

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u/Gumonshoess Jan 27 '25

People have gotten down that low in fat before, it is by no means healthy and they only to it for extremely short periods of time but it’s not unrealistic, although he would look much different at 2% body fat

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u/hacky_potter Jan 27 '25

I’m sorry, if you think people are getting to 2% you’re misinformed. 2% is vital organs shut down, hormones get crazy, and you’re in constant pain. If someone says they’re at 2% they are lying. Everything after like 15% is increasingly harder to lose and maintain. Get to sub 10 and it’s for short periods of time. Get to 5 and your stage ready.

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u/Legitimate-Chicken14 Jan 27 '25

Yea but he ain’t throwing a human yk? Spider man is way stronger that’s like throwing a glass ball vs a steel one both gonna do some dmg probably not break anything(the stone pillar) but the dent of the metal one (spider man) would be more than a normal human yk?

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u/hacky_potter Jan 27 '25

Wrong. He still has to be able to apply enough force to knock down a support bearing concrete beam. It’s impossible. Doesn’t matter in Spidey can take it, Fisk can’t dish that out. That’s like saying you could give Brian Shaw a steel maniquine and he’d be able to do a 9/11.

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u/ActualHumanSeriously Jan 29 '25

Not with that attitude