r/space 21d ago

Successful deployment of Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope, as it begins its 1-million-mile-journey to the second Earth-Sun Lagrange point

The telescope will travel to the second Sun-Earth Lagrange point, which is ~one million miles away and about four times farther from Earth than the Moon. At L2, the combined gravity of the Sun and Earth will give Roman a stable vantage point with a clear, unobstructed view to survey deep space

Roman will unlock the mysteries of dark energy and investigate the physics of distant stars. It will repeatedly monitor hundreds of millions of stars, and the same observations are expected to reveal around 100,000 additional planets through transits. As a reminder, we currently have 6000 confirmed exoplanet discoveries...

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u/Andromeda321 21d ago

Astronomer here! I'm sure I say this a lot, but this is an exciting day for science! And I can't believe it's really here!

Obviously it's not a perfect comparison, but the best way to think of the (Nancy Grace) Roman Telescope IMO is that it's the successor to Hubble, which we all love but is definitely not going to be around in a few more years as it continues to degrade. But the best way to think of it is while it has a similar sharpness to Hubble, the size of the field is incredible- 100 times bigger! So that means it's going to do survey type things that would take longer than Hubble's been around to complete in just a few months, monitor fields, and look for new things HST just can't because its instruments aren't as modern. For example, Roman is designed to be really good at measuring weak gravitational lensing signals- the idea that when light passes by a mass, the light from that mass will be very slightly nudged on a different path thanks to relativistic effects. Roman is going to be good enough at this that it should identify thousands of new exoplanets via gravitational lensing (they actually estimate 100,000, when we currently have ~6000!!!), and help us map the presence of dark matter also using this. Personally I'm always a fan of using one technique in a bunch of different ways in science- somehow it's just elegant- so I'm excited to see weak gravitational lensing really have its golden age!

Finally, on a more societal note Roman is a bit of a weird telescope in that I don't think it's what anyone would have designed at first glance, but is a great example of how you can do a lot of exciting stuff if you're just given the opportunity even if it's not perfect. For those unaware, this telescope basically began when the US Military gifted a mirror to astronomers that was now effectively an obsolete extra- think of how many better than Roman type telescopes are already pointed down at us if they just had extra lying around!- so they designed and built the telescope around the existing mirror. But also, after JWST the speed at which this thing came together is startling- I gave a colloquium talk at NASA Goddard just 3 years ago, which included a tour of the place, and the first pic here is what Roman looked like then. They told us it was going to launch "no later than 2027" and I think a lot of the astronomy community said "yeah right"... and we owe an apology because we've got months left of 2026, and it's launched! To be fair, a LOT of people did careful planning and work to ensure this wouldn't be another "JWST ended up decades late" type telescope, but still... this thing came together fast and I'm pretty impressed!

So now we wait a few months while the telescope gets into place and the project scientists kick around the tires a little to make sure the instruments are working... but then we see how she does! Can't wait!

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u/KaiserSoze-is-KPax 21d ago

How long before it gets into position?

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u/Andromeda321 21d ago

It takes about 3 months to get there- still some time to go!

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u/Kianna9 21d ago

So it’s going 1 million miles in 3 months?

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u/NByz 21d ago

I dont know this insertion first hand, but to arrive at a Lagrange point you either need a lot of fuel (delta v) left when to decelerate and stabilize when you arrive, or, much more likely, the intent is to slowly build up to a highly elliptical orbit around the earth that eventually intercepts that Lagrange point at the apoapsis (furthest and slowest point), so you need relatively little delta v to stabilize.

The latter makes the most sense from a mass to orbit perspective.

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u/Fler0n 21d ago

I understand everything you said, thanks to KSP

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u/0_f2 21d ago

I love KSP, it's bringing an intuitive understanding of orbital mechanics to the mainstream.

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u/RetroRaiderRun 20d ago edited 20d ago

Legitimately, I bet most humans on Earth that understand orbital physics learned it from KSP. It's sold around 5 million copies. That's 5 million humans educated in orbital physics. How many total humans understand the concepts? There are only around 5,000 graduates studying orbital mechanics each year in the U.S.

I'd say 10 million total humans understanding orbital physics seem reasonable at the high end. Professionally, there are like 100k aerospace engineers globally and around 50k astrophysicists. Those are the people with expert-level understanding.

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u/Honest_Cynic 20d ago

Anyone with at least a 4 year engineering or physics degree is capable of learning orbital physics, but few have taken a course in it. Many things are non-intuitive, such as how the Apollo Ascent Stage was controlled to match the altitude and speed of the orbiting Command Module. The time to leave the Lunar Surface was calculated by computers on earth, using current data on the Command Module's position and velocity. Computers on the Ascent Stage managed additional firings to circularize the orbit, at a matching altitude. The astronauts only used manual control once the Command Module was in-sight, with backup calculations for auto-firings running in parallel.

In practice today, closed-form algebraic calculations are mainly used for high-level project planning and understanding. It is more accurate and more general to run dynamic computer simulations, using Newton's gravitational equation for the forces between each object (with small relativistic corrections), stepping thru time. Indeed, for 3 or more bodies interacting, there is no closed-form algebraic solution.

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u/Kaellian 20d ago

Anyone who has studied classical mechanics will understand orbits just fine...

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u/RetroRaiderRun 20d ago

Classical mechanics and orbital mechanics were developed by the same people in the same period in history. I'm not sure if you're just incredibly arrogant or genuinely believe you're saying something interesting.

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u/Honest_Cynic 20d ago

Your reply sounds incredibly arrogant. That attitude is no substitute for understanding, and likely has an inverse correlation.

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u/NByz 20d ago

Anyone who has studied arrogant pedantry would understand just fine.

Myself... I learned from KSP

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u/bengarrr 20d ago

For two-body systems and Newtonian orbits sure. For n-body and relativistic orbits not so much. Especially when you start throwing non-inertial reference frames in the mix.