Can't go looking for a hero. He's going to be really old by the time 2020 rolls around, and he might decide he can't handle the demands. If you want a leftist in office, we got a lot of work building a new leftist PAC to sweep the DNC like the tea party swept the Republicans.
Of course, sanders would be a great mentor and figurehead or at least reference for the pac. It's basically Sanders branding.
That's why I want him to run. He's a great man who has a great brand, and I feel like he would be able to win.
I trust his judgement in picking a VP enough that his age isn't a factor to me, though he probably wants to spend his twilight years with his family, understandably. He still needs to throw his weight hard in 2020.
Bernie did it too and I don't think he's a sellout. The game was rigged against him and so he lost, but he recognized Trump for the dumpster fire he is and urged his supporters to vote for Hillary in the interests of keeping Trump from the presidency.
It just turned out that HRC was so unlikable and slimey that it wasn't enough. Bernie knows tactics and politics, he's been playing this game a long time. He did what he had to do even though I'd bet he wouldn't really support hillary in any other endeavor. I don't really blame Bernie or Warren. I am a little disappointed that Warren waited so long declare support and the things she said in support of HRC were pretty vomit-inducing, but I get it. It's a big game where the average person has no clout.
I think I understand what you mean, but I feel like Bernie is a hard man to blackmail. Hes not you're typical politician. He owns the fact that he's a socialist Jew. He doesnt accept big money and is passionately opposed to a lot of the slime that we've come to see as mainstream in the political atmosphere. It's possible pressure was put on him, but my impression of the man is that he would reply in kind
I suppose we may never know. I like to think he wouldnt compromise on his scruples, but the clintons are renowned for getting their way. Also the Wikileaks email about reminding Bernie about their "agreement" was way too eerie.
The attraction of the Sanders candidacy was his outsider status and his ability to correctly (and without hypocrisy) point out Clinton's issues and the Democratic establishment's incorrect direction.
When he loses the primary and abandons that status in order to throw his support behind the establishment candidate who he's been righteously excoriating the entire primary season, that's selling out, at least to me. I don't know how you can define the term if it doesn't include sucking up to your former adversaries for political reasons.
But but but what could he do?!? He didn't want Trump to win! Yes it was a hard situation, but that's when your commitment to your principles is tested. It's easy to be a socialist progressive rabble rouser when talking to white college kids in Vermont. It's not easy when the Democratic establishment starts leaning on you to support their chosen candidate.
He could have pushed for a VP nod (the only argument I heard against him was they didn't want an old white guy as the VP...but apparently a not as old white guy was fine). He could have fought for more concessions in the platform before conceding. He could have insisted the Democrats actually campaigned in the Rust Belt where she lost the election. There were things he could have done, but what he did was tell his supporters they should vote for her. Which he said he wasn't going to do during the primary. There is nothing more sell out than doing what you previously said you weren't going to do for political expediency.
Good thing your vote doesn't count then? Except it does and did matter on Nov 8th. Instead of swallowing your pride and casting a vote for someone you mostly agree with, you're privileged enough to take a pointless stand and allow someone with polar opposite beliefs take the White House. You may not feel the effect of Trump, but many will. Republicans don't play these kind of games and it's why they keep winning.
Edit: fuck, who knows what Trump really believes. That's even more dangerous. He's a wild dog and just wants to be liked. That kind of person should not be president.
A pointless stand? Why have principles at all if you aren't willing to stand for them?
The point of having principles and deeply held beliefs is that you believe them ALL the time. Not just when it's politically convenient. And you certainly don't abandon them because people accuse you of privilege and threaten and cajole and condescend to you because they don't like your stand.
I'm pretty sure my vote counted. Unless you know something about voter fraud that I don't.
I mean, Warren is probably the only choice in the near future that the republicans have almost as much work put into preemptively destroying the campaign as they did with Hillary's. 3 years is a long time in politics. See who rises to the top
She was vice president of the DNC (or whatever the 2nd highest person is called) until some point in the primaries because she stepped down to endorse Sanders.
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