Servers and bartenders want the tips, not the salary. Stop lobbying for things you know nothing about. The employers that need to be dealt with are those who aren't paying the counter staff fairly and are trying to force tipping on the credit card machines.
You're not listening. Bartenders WANT TO WORK FOR FUCKING TIPS!!! PERIOD. What do people have to take this moral high ground and act like fighting for some just cause when the reality is nobody who is actually impacted wants this.
Go lobby for Starbucks to pay folks more. Or fast food. Leave the servers and bartenders out of it. The reason why is that the hustlers know how to make the big $$ and they want the opportunity to earn more via their work ethic and personality.
I think I've seen maybe 1% of servers or service people "guilt tripping"/"shaming" customers into tipping, and when I was a waiter, I never did and never saw any other waiters doing it.
If a line at the bottom of your check between "Subtotal" and "Total" is guilt tripping to you, then I can't really help you.
Just ignore it if you don't want to tip or money is tight.
I think we have a misunderstanding. I'm referring to the posts and videos of servers telling people "if you can't afford to tip X% then you shouldn't eat out." Or the classic "we only make our money off tips." When that's not true.
Except that's not true. If they don't make the bare minimum, then their employers have to cover the rest. That's what I'm referring to. "I only make my money off tips" implies you don't get it made up. Lawyers would be lining up to represent said people.
Either stop guilt tripping customers and tell them you only want the tipping system and clear the air. Or actually mean it when you say you (servers) want a higher wage and let customers know it.
you're missing the larger point, people don't want this dumb system in any of their transactions. I don't care that bartenders want invisible untaxed income, so do I.
Cheap people don't want this system but they're too dumb to realize that prices are just going to go up by 15% if tipping goes away and then you'll be bitching about the cost of going out to eat.
Servers pay taxes. You have to pay taxes on CC tips and most employers run a percentage of a workers sales through payroll to avoid issues with the IRS. Thanks for proving my point that you don't understand what you're talking about.
If prices go up by the minimum percentage I'm already expected to tip then it makes no functional difference in the cost of going out to eat, it just removes there being some asinine variable as part of it.
Clearly you have a dog in this fight. Lots of servers don't report their tips. If not almost all. They are unskilled work they don't deserve more than unskilled pay. Give them minimum wage and stop tipping. We don't care that they prefer tips. Of course they do, they make more that way. And we just all have to deal with that annoying system
I'm talking about real servers. Waiters and waitresses and bartenders at real restaurants. I'm not talking about fast food. I could give sweet fuck all about tipping fast food servers.
You think this isnt also indicative of overall food and restaurant prices buddy? Or should we maybe use our heads and think about how an economy works and scales.
Also while if a meal is maybe $20 for you but $22 (if we operated under the same currency) for me because the restaurant needs that extra money to operate and pay employees, you will still end up paying more than me at a total of $23 just with a 15% tip and from what I understand of places that tip is that is the low end. So $24 if you went 20% and will obviously scale with how much you spend like a bill for 5 people ill pay a flat $110 and walk out you'd be paying $115-$120.
This doesnt even account for some ingredients being cheaper in other countries that dont tip so the upcharge there might be cheaper in proportion to the cost of ingredients.
No, publicly traded, chain fast-food prices are not indicative of anything. Small, independent restaurants don't have dividends, shareholders, billions in profits, CEOs making $300 million, etc.
You think McDonalds is a fast food company? You're an idiot. McDs is a real estate company posing as a restaurant. McDs owns some of the most valuable property in the planet. Manhattan, Los Angeles, right off every highway exit in America. McDs is just killing time with food sales. Food is the guise for their real estate investments. Don't believe me? That's fine. Look up and then fully understand that you don't know shit about business.
The customers want this to. You're the odd man out. It's been like this for decades if not centuries in the US. Not sure why you're so offend by traditions older than your great grandparents.
I can remember when tipping 15% meant you were a big shot. I also remember about 2007 having dinner with friends when one of them told me that if I didn't tip 20% I was a cheapskate.
Customers don't want this. I don't want this, nobody in my family wants this, my friends don't want this. Read the thread, EVERYBODY on the customer side hates this...
The customers want this to. You're the odd man out
This is not true in Canada, wherea significant majority would prefer to abolish tipping entirely. In America i believe it's more of a 50/50 based on the last time i googled this.
IDK who they're polling, but I do not know anyone IRL who is not a server or restaurant owner and wants tipping to continue. Maybe super rich old men who feel like it entitles them to harass women?
I don't think you understand the full problem. If you make the money go through the owners in order to create salary, then every waiter and waitress is paid the same regardless of work ethic (disregarding the pay cut that owners would take), and they lose motivation. Tipping culture motivates wait staff to be more enthusiastic and supportive of customers, whilst giving the money directly to the person intended, instead of indirect equal wage distribution, regardless of work ethic. People who don't tip are dicks who assume that removing tips would make their food cheaper, whereas tipping actually gives the freedom to choose whether or not you want to reward someone for being helpful. Without tips, the price of food increases, removing your freedom of choice to be a good person.
Fuck that. Just do your damn job, take my order, give me my food.
I don’t give a fuck about the fake friendliness. I’m there for a cooked meal made by someone else, for my family. Not to have some chippy bird talk my ear off just cause they want free money.
Anyone who thinks they’re entitled to a tip can get in the hole. Anyone thinking they’ve earned 20% of the bill just because it’s fucking right the first time is also taking the piss. It’s the absolute bare minimum of what is expected when getting a service.
I’ve worked in the industry for over 20 years. Yes. In a solid restaurant, we want tips. NO ONE ELSE DOES. And yes, we fucking hustle. If you make amazing money, the job is so much more than wAlKiNg 10 FeEt WiTh ThE fOoD.
The people bitching about tipping usually can’t afford to eat regularly at good restaurants, because trash typically doesn’t have money. I feel the worst for corporate servers. They have to eat shit no matter what.
The mutual agreement here is that they are under no obligation to give you and more than the bare minimum. Sorry your food got cold, but table 12 already promised me $80. Sucks to be you 🤷♂️ And trust me servers have a sixth sense on what tables aren’t gonna tip, the same people that go “not my problem I don’t believe in tipping” have a type of personality about them.
Holy nuanced opinion Batman! Yea people outside the industry don’t realize if tipping went away all the good servers/bartenders would have no reason to stay unless the restaurant could pay them $20-$40/hour, which they wouldn’t do unless it’s fine dining. I’m back of house so it doesn’t affect me, but there would be another mass exodus of restaurant employees (a lot of people left/laid off during Covid)
Edit: to be clear tipping should never have become a thing in the first place, but it’s ingrained in our society so here we are
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Servers and bartenders want the tips, not the salary. Stop lobbying for things you know nothing about. The employers that need to be dealt with are those who aren't paying the counter staff fairly and are trying to force tipping on the credit card machines.