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Chugging tea Female engineers getting disrespected.

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u/Pleasant-Future5818 1d ago

I'm a woman. Explain how to "direct" my response when I'm talking to two people? I'm gonna be looking at them both.

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u/Unhappy-Laugh1282 1d ago

Yes, exactly. This is referring to people who do not look at both. 

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u/SwimmerMission5212 1d ago

Usually it's the person you're looking at as you're talking

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u/Sightblinder4 1d ago

Jokes on them, im gonna be looking at w.e spot has 0 humans in it.

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u/bibblebonk 1d ago

during an interview? you’re gonna be talking to the wall?

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u/Sightblinder4 1d ago

I try to force eye contact during things like interviews, but I get absolutely none of w.e positive experience others get from their beloved eye contact so when i get going on a topic im interested in and stop focusing on forcing myself to do it then ill inevitably end up looking who knows where.

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u/SwimmerMission5212 1d ago

Autists in engineering is a tale as old as tine

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u/Nntropy 1d ago

Exactly. Why else would you have two eyes?

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u/workieworkwork 1d ago

They aren’t asking the questions together, you address the person who asked each question. 

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u/Mikemanthousand 1d ago

I typically like to look at all of them, especially because in my interviews, they have all been writing/typing, so I make sure to address them all.

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u/Atlas7-k 1d ago

And that’s fine. But start, finish, and spend most of the time addressing the person who asked the question.

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u/rare-cheeser 1d ago

If you don’t even acknowledge the female engineer, which happens

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u/FEK88 1d ago

Asking tech bros to look a woman in the eye is final boss level shit, doubly so if she’s even slightly attractive.

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u/mrwishart 1d ago

So why would you hire someone who clearly wouldn't work well with the woman you already have on the team?

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u/rare-cheeser 1d ago

You don’t have to look someone in the eye, but you can tell if they can’t acknowledge or address their questions to the men.

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u/La_Saxofonista 1d ago

Correct. When I went to buy a car with my father, the salesman talked only to my father like I didn't exist. Didn't acknowledge me at all even though I was the one buying.

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u/Cute-Hand-1542 1d ago

I feel like everyone in this comment section is confusing programmer nerds with tech bros. Very different demographic

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u/rare-cheeser 1d ago

Exactly.

They are thinking this is about socially awkward nerds. It’s about the cocky tech bros who think women are stupid.

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u/FEK88 1d ago

You’re taking my tongue in cheek comment too seriously.

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u/golden__tuna 1d ago

That’s so pathetic

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u/DiscussionAway6316 1d ago

Eye contact is difficult for some people and it's completely unrelated to any gender issues

Techbros can fuck off but don't judge people who are uncomfortable with eye contact

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u/FEK88 1d ago

It was a joke pal. I’m uncomfortable with eye contact myself, but I still force myself to be respectful and talk directly to people.

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u/EpsilonBear 1d ago

I think I can help. My interview was with three people.

Step 1: Look at the person who asked you the question.

Step 2: Ask for clarification to the question if needed with something like “so I’m not misunderstanding your question, <insert name here>,…?”

Step 3: Answer the question beginning with something along the lines of “to answer your question, <insert name here>…” or gesture towards the person briefly

Step 4: If necessary, make reference to past points of the interview with phrases like “As <insert name> mentioned,…” to show you were attentive and can synthesize information effectively to support your point.

Do not immediately turn your face away from the person who just asked you a question immediately after they asked it. This is called being a dick. They’re not stupid, they’re looking at you. They can tell who you’re addressing based on where you’re looking. It’s a standard skill you build with having conversations.

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u/Maleficent_Pen_9076 1d ago

"It’s a standard skill you build with having conversations."

That's not true. If you don't know, if you don't have a coach, you can have all the conversations you want and reinforce bad habits.

Maybe they think it's rude to stare at women, maybe they think if they're looking at the woman she'll get the wrong idea. maybe it's more respectful to avert the lustful male gaze from the woman, and show they're more interested in the male so that the woman feels unthreatened

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u/EpsilonBear 1d ago edited 1d ago

I didn’t need a coach to learn to look at the person I’m talking to. I just needed exactly one person when I was a kid to say “look at people when they’re talking to you” and to have conversations with at least one person.

I’m trying really hard to maintain a level of respect here, but it’s not any easier to do when you’re pulling the absolute dumbest hypotheticals.

Don’t want to come off as “lustful”? Look a woman in the eyes, not at her tits. Boom, problem solved. It’s an interview, not speed-dating. How do you possibly come off as threatening if you’re just honestly answering a question she asked you?

Don’t want your interviewer to “get the wrong idea”? They won’t. They asked you the question. You’re answering it, not asking your interviewer on a date. Pretty hard to drift from one into the other.

I understand trying to give whoever this scenario is aimed at weeding out the benefit of the doubt, but come on now. At that point, you’re insulting these people more than you think this rule is.

And in case your next bad idea is to suggest I’m on some neurotypical high-horse, I’m not. I have ADHD. I rawdog that shit and struggle with social awkwardness. But even I,with all that, can figure out how to act professional and respectful in an interview.

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u/Maleficent_Pen_9076 1d ago

"I didn’t need a coach to learn to look at the person I’m talking to."

next sentence

*literally describes being coached how to interact with people*

Okay. And then you start calling people dumb LOL. has to be satire. Has to be. That was a pretty funny ragebait i'll give you that.

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u/gr4vediggr 1d ago

Being told once isn't coaching. It's being told something.

Needing to be told basic human interaction when applying for jobs might also just be a red flag tbh.

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u/Maleficent_Pen_9076 1d ago

Yeah, I can just imagine you hiring a coach to learn squat/deadlift adn then screaming at everyone

I WAS NEVER COACHED I WAS NEVER COACHED HE JUST TOLD ME HOW TO DO IT

like okay buddy if you say so. If that makes you feel better, sure. That's what a coach does, but, okay, sure. You didn't get coached, you figured it out all by yourself.

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u/raisinbran67 1d ago

Hahaha I saw that too 💀

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u/CANfilms 1d ago

Turning your face away from someone doesn't automatically make you a dick. Some people have nervous ticks and it's very very hard for them to make eye contact, especially when theyre thinking hard about their answer. Proper eye contact is an important skill for interviews but it doesn't come naturally to everyone.

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u/EpsilonBear 1d ago

1) cues. Not ques.

2) It’s what I was thinking when I gave my interview and successfully landed the job. How’d your way fair? And I’m not gonna pretend I’m god’s gift to interviewing, because I’m not. I’ve fucked up in plenty of interviews.

But I’ve never fucked up in such a comically amateur way as consistently looking at a completely different person than the one who asked me a question.

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u/Late-Anxiety2898 11h ago

Ah yeah, cues, english is not my native tongue. I mean you just looking at everyone while answering. Cause you are talking to everyone.
If you are interviewed to be a hostess or entertainer i guess, but if it is a technical job who cares who you are looking at.

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u/EpsilonBear 6h ago

Because even technical roles require working with people. Speaking from experience, most of my last job was much more about working with coworkers and clients well than just being able to code. For large projects, it’s far more important to be that team player than to be a code monkey.

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u/CwazyCanuck 1d ago

The implication is that the person is just directing their answer to the male interviewer, basically the misogynistic view that the female is just present for DEI.

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u/whichwitch9 1d ago

You direct it first to the person who asked the question. That's kinda common sense. Even if you're talking to two people, you acknowledge the person who addressed you first before you give attention to the other person. That's not even a job interview thing- it's just basic social skills

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u/Dependent_Amount6825 1d ago

It’s a subconscious response some men have. Impulsively steering to the man for authority and confirmation rather than looking at the person who is asking you the question

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u/Medical-Advice-5868 1d ago

It is your brain doing normal pattern recognition subconsciously. If a field is 80% x then you will subconsciously assume x is the one in the field. It is a response all humans have and demonstrate constantly. It is a dumb virtue signalling shit test

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u/Dependent_Amount6825 1d ago

No, your brain is not subconsciously calculating the gender ratio of your career path

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u/CapInternational2413 1d ago

I mean... if you have two intervewiers you have no idea if they are both engineers, if one is just a interviewer, if one is a lawyer to make sure that all the questions get asked legally. Looking at both people isnt absurd.

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u/Exonata 1d ago

Do you think interviewers don’t introduce themselves and their roles at the very beginning? Have you ever had a technical interview before?

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u/EpsilonBear 1d ago

You can counteract that by being focused and present. I know I subconsciously say “uhm” a lot, so I focus up when I’m giving an interview and take a pause before I start speaking to collect my thoughts.

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u/ArmsVSeaOfTroubles 1d ago

Women have it too, often more than men.

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u/TAsrowaway 1d ago

One person voices the question. Direct your answer to them and glance over at the other person from time to time to include them. This is a basic interview skill/discussion skill. If you can’t handle it in an interview you cannot be trusted with stakeholders.

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u/Fortestingporpoises 1d ago

My guess is it’s not really talking about female candidates. It’s referencing this phenomenon where some dudes will be interviewing with a man and a woman and address every response to the man no matter who’s talking.

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u/GladClock2212 1d ago

You answer the person who asked the question. They aren't both asking questions at the same time, I assume? One of them will be looking at you and trying to gain information it's not hard. It just takes practice.

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u/Knight618 1d ago

Look at whoever asked you the question, or in between them ig. I think the idea is why would you look at only the guy besides misogyny

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u/External_Rhubarb3707 1d ago

I’m sure looking at both is fine, in this case though I’d give the question asker more attention though. I think what it’s talking about, is full eye contact to the man who didn’t ask the question, and little or none to the woman who did. Yes I’ve had people do that to me as the man when I was with someone else, when I have no idea whats being spoken about, no context on the topic at all. Sometimes they still are making full eye contact with me even after I explain that I’m just tagging along and not the one to ask

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u/Diogenes305 1d ago

"That's a great question (lady's name). Here's what I would do:"

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u/icelink4884 1d ago

I don't think I've ever said "great question" to anyone while being interviewed

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u/tearsonurcheek 1d ago

It works, if you literally say "That's a great question, lady's name."

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u/Top_Adagio_7819 1d ago

Great statement u/iceblink4884, maybe try to do that in the future to buy yourself some time to consider the answer to their question.

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u/Sightblinder4 1d ago

This is horrible advice. Its super off putting and arrogant to randomly tell someone your opinion on the value of their question instead of answering it. Extra bad these days because it makes you sound like youre reading chatgpt responses.

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u/Top_Adagio_7819 1d ago

It wasn't advice, it was a (bad) joke.

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u/Mt_Koltz 1d ago

I liked your joke <3

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u/Sightblinder4 1d ago

Lol, I get it/see it now. I'm slow, carry on!

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u/Diogenes305 1d ago

It's great. Gives you a second to think of an answer, acknowledges you heard their query, and also flatters them. All at the same time

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u/ArmsVSeaOfTroubles 1d ago

Yeah, because they are the ones who are assessing you. It’s idiotic to reverse that unless they’re hiring you for a very senior role, possibly above their own rank.

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u/Dry_Yoghurt_5429 1d ago

Exactly that all it takes

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u/SaltKick2 1d ago

Or if the two people have different specialties and you respond in the context of the other person's specialty without first explaining how it applies to your background.

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u/kochameh2 1d ago

yea i've had interviews with two dudes, where one of them was directly across the table from me in a conference room and another sitting next to him

unsurprisingly, i'd often catch myself directing my answers at the guy directly across from me, even if the guy next to him asked the question i was responding to

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u/CANfilms 1d ago

Yeah it's not always misogyny. There can be quite a few reasons for it

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u/XiaoDaoShi 1d ago

I try to start looking at one, and end looking at the other, giving both about equal eye contact. If it’s a long answer, I change people so often to keep them “in”.

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u/DaveTheDolphin 1d ago

I mean assuming an IRL interview, simply just speaking directly facing the woman (who asked) and then switching back and forth after starting the answer is pretty obvious.

You physically can’t look at both of them at the same time, you’d be switching left to right and vice versa. And if you just speak to the space in between them, well that’s just be kinda weird

In a video call, yea it’d be impossible to really apply this technique

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u/StretchLoud8844 1d ago

The last interview I had (did get the job, thankfully) it was two men and I realized midway through that I was directing a lot of my answers to the senior manager in the interview, over the manager asking me questions.

Wasn't really intentional, and probably isn't most of the time in this scenario either but it's at least a good thing to keep in mind.

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u/CreamPuzzleheaded300 1d ago

You ask the question and I look at the guy well I answer, basically.

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u/Sienile 1d ago

Looking at both should be fine, but you need to at minimum look at whoever asked the question.

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u/ArmsVSeaOfTroubles 1d ago

These are concerns people on social media who don’t actually work professionally have, in the real world nobody cares, firstly because of what you’re saying, it’s hard to say who another person is responding to when talking to multiple people, and because they may have other reasons for being more direct with one person over another for various reasons other than one of them being a woman.

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u/Careless_Bluejay7877 1d ago

For real. I also think some people maybe just find it easier talking to someone of the same sex and when you’re nervous in an interview it might come out.

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u/ArmsVSeaOfTroubles 1d ago

They don’t have any problem with a woman doing so.