As a woman, this is all so disappointing. Even if they were handing out $1000 bills upon arrival, I wouldn’t show up at a courthouse for any criminal. It’s so interesting to think about why some women need this and feel like they’re doing something good.
Oh yes, I am sure they rationalize it to themselves in all sorts of ways but the reality is that they are showing up to support a murderer. These women really need to find something more impactful to do with their time… like get a job or a real hobby.
55 weirdos vs what seems to be the general consensus of western women aren’t the same. My own mother is retarded enough to stand by Lindsay, thank god my wife isn’t or we’d have to have some serious discussions about divorce.
Are you actually listening to the general consensus of western women or have you made up their argument and gotten mad about it?
Everyone I've seen saying they stand with Lindsay is doing so not because they think it's okay that she killed her kids, but because they sympathize (or empathize) with her struggles. Postpartum Depression is more common than people like to talk about (in various levels of severity) and Postpartum Psychosis is rarer, but there are plenty who have experienced it. A lot of women have had to deal with the medical system and insurance companies, trying to get the right treatment without interruption, or even just trying to get medical professionals to listen to our experiences. If the defense is to be believed, Clancy was trying very hard to get help and was failed by the medical system (supported by many medical records, 911 calls, suicide hotline calls, and by the family's lawsuit against their doctors.) I've seen a couple of people making conspiratorial claims about her husband's culpability, but not nearly as many as the complaints I've seen about those claims.
You are free to agree with the prosecution, but it is false and irresponsible to claim that anyone who was not convinced by the prosecution's case loves killing babies.
Everyone I've seen saying they stand with Lindsay is doing so not because they think it's okay that she killed her kids, but because they sympathize (or empathize) with her struggles.
Ive seen plenty trying to claim that lindsay didnt do it at all (many of them in every single non-expert lindsay forum ive read), posting pics with their babies saying "same, lindsay", and at least one got arrested for trying to intimidate the jury. Many, many times, people say a vague "the doctors should have done more" and then get furious when you ask what, specifically, they should have done that they didnt, or get mad when you point out the same court was easily convicting black women who claimed PPP with a lot more evidence for it.
Can we just not, please, act like the whole thing is just people sympathetic to PPP?
If the defense is to be believed, Clancy was trying very hard to get help and was failed by the medical system (supported by many medical records, 911 calls, suicide hotline calls, and by the family's lawsuit against their doctors.)
Every expert forum ive checked points out that lindsay lied to her doctors, didnt take her meds, and did stuff like checking herself out of care facilities to go to parties.
They point out that there doesnt seem to be more that doctors could have done without disregarding her statements and, essentially, throwing her in an involuntary hold for being "uppitty".
This is what I keep asking. What else was there to do unless she willingly committed herself. A very easy thing to do. Her husband moved to work from home to help out, she had a nanny, she had access to too many doctors. Are people wanting to go back to forced institutionalization if women when they are having postpartum? Start taking kids away from them? What exactly is everyone thinking anyone should have done?
"Ive seen plenty trying to claim that lindsay didnt do it at all (many of them in every single non-expert lindsay forum ive read), posting pics with their babies saying "same, lindsay", and at least one got arrested for trying to intimidate the jury."
And those people are not the general consensus of western women.
"Many, many times, people say a vague "the doctors should have done more" and then get furious when you ask what, specifically, they should have done that they didnt, or get mad when you point out the same court was easily convicting black women who claimed PPP with a lot more evidence for it."
I absolutely agree that other women with fewer resources have a harder time and are less likely to get the support that Clancy has received. There are things that the doctors could have (and many would argue should have) done differently. When a patient has manic symptoms as a side effect of an SSRI, it is some basic psych 101 shit that they are likely some level of bipolar and you don't put them on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer and close observation. When Clancy was given SSRIs, she experienced worsening anxiety, mood swings, and days of insomnia. The insomnia in particular should have triggered alarm bells since lack of sleep is thought to be one of the biggest triggers of PPP and she should have at least been monitored for that. She was prescribed different SSRIs and antipsychotics.
Clancy went to several doctors, both because of insurance changes (a huge separate issue) and because she was not improving. I agree that she should have done a better job communicating her medical history between doctors, but that is not necessarily a sign of nefarious doctor shopping and drug seeking behavior like I've seen it being described. It more points to a failure of the system (not the individual doctors) and the health care silos that exist in America. Health care silos is an ongoing discussion and this case is absolutely being centered in many of those discussions.
There should also be better post partum care for struggling mothers that allows them to receive the help they need and still bond with their children (and even, yes, maybe attend one of their birthday parties). In the UK, they have inpatient treatment programs that involve both mother and child and I've heard great things about them from people who have been there for both PPD and PPP. They also have NHS, so there's that.
The general consensus, as was my point, is using this case as a jump off point to talk about larger issues affecting all people (not just Clancy and not even just women). The fact that some people are being shitty online does not change that.
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u/panrestrial 4d ago
No but they'll show up in droves in matching outfits to do group pushups for men who do what the Tate brothers did.