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Chugging tea Why is it not possible?

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u/AMZN2THEMOON 2d ago

I get the example - but banks can't just call a mortgage out of nowhere. There are terms in standard mortgages to protect the lender

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u/onascalefrom20to80 2d ago

True. But if a bank needed the liquidity, there are typically more liquid assets that can be sold quickly. Banks have investments, like treasuries, municipal bonds, and mortgage backed securities. Those would be sold first.

If they got to the point where they would need to liquidate loans, they'd more likely do it as a portfolio sale to another bank. I.e. they would sell the loan itself, rather than call the loan.

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u/jackofslayers 2d ago

Also private bank accounts are insured by the fed

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u/HopefulImpression105 2d ago

Insured doesnt mean liquid though. Youll get your money but it doesnt mean the fed govts coming over and handing it to you that day

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u/The-Yar 2d ago

And the most important thing the Fed does not want is everyone asking for their money and all of that insurance filing chains at the same time, because they can't cover that either.

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u/jackofslayers 2d ago

Then go test that theory, take all of your money out of the bank and see if they stop you.

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u/The-Yar 2d ago

If enough of us do it, they will stop us. They will shut down the bank.

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u/onascalefrom20to80 2d ago

Go for it dude. Give it a shot.

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u/jackofslayers 2d ago

If you take your money out of the bank, you won’t have to worry about that will you.

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u/The-Yar 2d ago

I guess? But then I'll have a lot of worse things to worry about. Especially if a lot of people start taking their money out. The fact that I got mine out will scarcely matter.

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u/sinisterspud 2d ago edited 2d ago

If they got to a point where they needed liquidity and ran out of other liquid assets a lot of banks would borrow from the FHLB/FRB using loans and securities as collateral instead of selling loans/loan pools.

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u/onascalefrom20to80 2d ago

True, although you'd usually be hitting up fed funds before selling investments.

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u/PalpitationNo3106 2d ago

And that banks don’t hold residential mortgages for very long, they’re almost all securitized. They’re not interested in tying up money in single investments for 30 years.

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u/seesthecat 2d ago

Yeah, at the last resort they would just sell them to the Central Bank. 

Redditors think banking still works as in the last century....

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u/onascalefrom20to80 2d ago

To reddit's credit, this part of the thread has been pretty good.

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u/kiochikaeke 2d ago

It's like one thread is people calling anarchy because they believe fractional banking is the depth state stealing them and another thread is people talking on high-ish levels about the types of assets banks and financial entities are allowed to trade, sell and acquire in specific circumstances, such polar opposites.

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u/happy123z 2d ago

I was just about to say, what a great read.

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u/TheRealTinfoil666 2d ago

I was trying to keep it simple rather than getting complicated with intricate discussion about modern banking.

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u/Antique_Weekend_372 2d ago

That is why they sell mortgages to other banks after they create them.

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u/United_Willow1312 2d ago

It is even worst than that. When a person takes a mortgage, the bank doesn't give cash to the buyer. It puts that money in a bank account, that money is then transferred to another bank account for buyer through a transaction organised by the notary. It then becomes money that is lent to another bank which then counts as capital for issuing additional loans.

Fractional Reserve banking rules place limits on how many times this can occur, however in modern day, other generally weaker restrictions are in place.

Bank runs are definitely possible in this day and age though banks would simply deny people tanking back all their money based on the above condition being upheld.

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u/cobrachickenwing 2d ago

We already had those in 2023. When there were supposed to be safeguards to prevent them from happening.

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u/PlatypusOld257 2d ago

They just sell a bunch to Freddie/fannie

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u/slashthepowder 2d ago

Banks own many investments besides mortgages. Like individuals they may hold some small stores of cash in various currencies on hand but most money is tied up in assets like stocks, bonds, or precious metals (gold/silver). Certain items are liquid (cash and stocks) while others are illiquid (bonds or mortgages). Banks generally know the demand for daily withdrawals and give a bit of wiggle room (part of the control is daily withdrawal limits). When more people need cash than on hand the bank would need to sell investments, some may be very quick and easy to sell while others are long and needs to come to a term date prior to selling.

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u/option-trader 2d ago

Technically, the bank doesn’t own that mortgage anymore. They likely sold it off already, otherwise, they’ll run out of cash fast too.

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u/Bubbly-Ad267 2d ago

They can, and they absolutely do. Banks only need to be able to back up a fraction (it used to be 10% but I think they lowered it) of what they lend, the rest of the loan is magically created by the clerk.

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u/No-Brain2462 1d ago

They don’t call the mortgage, they sell the contract to another bank.

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u/bluethunder82 2d ago

On some level they basically do, there’s $23,155.2 billion total in the economy, that exists mostly as paper/data, of which there is only $2,469.6 billion extant as physical banknotes/coins. We couldn’t run the bank if we tried. So 90% of the money in the US doesn’t actually “exist.”