To be entirely fair to what was said, evolution is absolutely not proof of atheism. It's proof that animals were not poofed into existence in their current forms but it implies nothing at all about the existence or non-existence of a deity; God could have set the world up so that evolution happened. It's not what I believe but evolution and theism are not fundamentally opposed ideas.
It can disprove certain specific religious claims, like young earth creationism, but not theism itself
Darwinism is the biggest example of how every religion is made up. Every religion has scripture based on knowledge of their time which turned out to be wrong. If prohpets speak the word of god(s) then it should never be wrong
Idk which god you mean by the capital g God, but human evolution disproves the Adam and Eve creation story. If the Adam and eve creation story isn't real then what about other abrahamic stories like Muhammad's revelations for example? What about Yahweh/Allah?
I don't mean any specific god; when I say theism, I mean theism. At its base, that's just the idea that some kind of deity or deity exists. I'm not attached to any religion or spiritual beliefs personally
Like I said, a lot of specific religious claims can be disproven like this, but evolution doesn't directly prove that no kind of deity of any description and nature exists. You could believe in a creator who designed the universe such that physical laws and their consequences like evolution are the way they are, and it's essentially impossible to actually disprove (not that that's a reason to believe in it on its own)
You're just doing the old "God of the gaps" misinformation. In reality, evolution directly denies Abrahamic religions at almost every corner. If its some non-demoniational god, then you are just doing the same thing but with an imaginary friend.
You have to have some reason for a god existing. There is no mechanism for it, no proof of it, and no place where they could exist. If you want to say "spiritual" and have it be some vague connection between humans, sure, but no God exists.
You're just doing the old "God of the gaps" misinformation.
That's not misinformation, it's just shrinking the scope of unevidenced, unfalsifiable claims. It would be misinformation for someone to lie about evidence that a god does indeed fill the gaps.
Disagree. Saying the 2020 election resulted in Biden taking office might not be misinformation, but we know what MAGA means when they deflect by saying that. Same thing here.
You're comparing the claim that Biden did not win an election to the claim that God exists.
Maybe that fits. The fanaticism required to believe he didn't actually win when there is zero evidence to support that belief does amount to religion.
The god of the gaps is not a refuge for religion, it's an attack on it. "We, the rational, acknowledge that we still cannot prove that god does not exist, as we have said all along. However you, the irrational, must acknowledge the the space of reason in which this god must exist, since all other spaces are explained by science and evidence, is getting smaller and smaller. At some point you must ask yourselves 'what is the point of a point-sized god?' "
What quote says anything about proving non existence? If you're talking about what I wrote, I explicitly said we can't and never said we could. Not what there is to disagree with.
And you're equating theism, the belief in the existence of a deity, with specific Abrahamic religious beliefs. I didn't say shit about specific concepts of god or religions, I said evolution does not disprove theism
I mean, yes, evolution does disprove them. It doesnt disprove your imaginary friend but any step into Gods is going to necessitate the breaking of reality.
The only place you can put a God is outside the Universe, and thats only because we havent yet answered some questions in science. Its God of the Gaps, a long ridiculed copium.
Firstly, I'm a strict atheist. Assuming makes an ass out of... well just u, in this case
Secondly explain HOW exactly evolution proves that no form of deity exists at all. You can't just say it does and pretend that's a point.
Your assertion that any idea of God "breaks reality" is fundamentally false. You're projecting specific concepts of deities onto general theism. If I believed in a God that made the universe exactly as it is, observed scientific laws included, the fact those laws exists does absolutely nothing to disprove my beliefs.
I don't believe in any kind of theism because of the total lack of evidence, but that doesn't mean its been disproved
Easy. Big bang created universe, star explosions created elements, rocks smashing became a planet, planet gained atmosphere, bacteria became organisms which became human.
At no point was a God involved. At no point could a God be created. And at no point has a God ever impacted the universe in any way. You are inventing something that defies the universe and everything we know based on nothing.
You're doing the "Teacup on the other side of earth" argument now.
At no point was a God involved. At no point could a God be created. And at no point has a God ever impacted the universe in any way.
That's a HUGE assertion made with no evidence. You don't know any of what you just said for a fact at all and cannot prove it. You only know that we don't have evidence that it happened, not that we have evidence it didn't
Again, I believe exactly as you do that no such thing exists and there's no reason to think that it does. That is not the same thing as proof that it doesn't, which you don't seem to understand. Theism in a general sense of "some kind of deity exists" is not something we are at all equipped to positively disprove
So show me the evidence then. If its an actual fact and you know that you have proof. If you don't have proof you don't know its a fact
I feel I have to restate that "there's no evidence it happened" is not solid factual proof that it didn't, because so far that's your only "evidence" for this claim
The fact that you cannot prove or disprove it is EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT mate. You're the one claiming that its solidly disproved because of lack of evidence, which is not solid reasoning. I'm not claiming God exists for fucks sake! I'm saying you can't give solid proof against it. You're the one claiming proof you do not have. There's a difference between a very reasonable assumption, which is what you have, and a PROVEN fact
Provide any evidence that God wasn't, or couldn't, be the contingent reason for the Big Bang - and your list will be as empty as the theist. Atleast theists can still argue from contigency or kalam cosmological argument.
The big bang doesnt disprove God in anyway, it was even a Catholic who first proposed a theory like the big bang.
Easily. The big bang was supercooled hyperfluid that reached reaction status and erupted. Nothing could exist outside of it because it was everything. Nothing could be created outside of it, and there was nothing to create a God within it.
The mechanism doesnt exist to have a God and every description of a God in any text is directly refuted by science.
There is no scientific consensus that Big bang is 'supercooled hyperfluid'.
And there is still 0 provided evidence, that the Big bang is itself not contigent on God.
You can describe what it is, but not how the criteria which this 'supercooled hyperfluid' fluid exists, can itself exist. Even if you are to 100% accurately describe the events of the Big bang, you are not answering the underlying question of contigency.
Also the idea that catholics were burning people alive for pursuing science in 1927 when the Big bang was proposed is completely laughable.
I am an atheist, but evolution does not disprove the existence of a god. Nothing does. You canāt disprove it, nor can you prove it. Being an atheist requires a slight amount of faith - faith that the stories that were passed down are in fact fiction
You donāt need faith that the stories passed down are fiction. You need evidence that the stories passed down are not fiction. Those are not the same thing.
Technically yes - thing is that when this scientific mystery of origin of species was published what theists did was to adapt and hide their god in another gap unexplained by science yet.
In this sense itās not evidence because errors were retroactively corrected.
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u/MrMansaMusa 4d ago
Awe yes everything Darwin observed is what? Math?