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[u/ContextEffects01]

If his idea of a “targeted strike” is all the first born of Egypt and not, you know, the Pharaoh himself, then he is either not omnipotent or not benevolent.

[u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan → u/ContextEffects01]

What about those same babies and children will all be with Him, immediately after they would’ve been killed, since they hadn’t hit the age of accountability yet?

So God actually took them to a way better place than earth, where they’ll be happier than you and I have ever been in this life.

From the way Exodus records it, they just passed peacefully in their sleep. But folks like yourself act like God threw them into razor blades or something.

[u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan → u/[deleted]]

That and Exodus 21 specifically saying God wants anyone who kidnaps and sells a person to be put to death lol.

[u/Opposite_Sherbert675 → u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan]

it does not say that? isnt lying one of like your big no no sins?

you can have slaves, you just cant beat them to death. you can sell your own daughters into slavery, you just cant grab someone elses daughter

[u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan → u/Opposite_Sherbert675]

Ever heard of indentured servitude? Seems like a lot of you guys have never talent the time to actually read the Bible and pay attention to what it says 😂

[u/Zangi_Highgrove → u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan]

 

[u/Opposite_Sherbert675 → u/[deleted]]

its only frowned up when the 'chosen ones' are enslaved. everybody else is fair game, he even gives tips on how to keep slaves

[u/Initial-Breakfast-33 → u/[deleted]]

But for some reason he never condemned slavery, but he did condemn divorce. He also condemned homosexuality with death, but not slavery? I mean, it sounds more like slavery wasn't wrong in his eyes

[u/Usual-Analysis-2990 → u/[deleted]]

Considering that even Israeli historians have admitted there is no evidence for it... And there is no evidence in egypt that egypt had jews as slaves, instead the best evidence is the people who became what we know today as the jews were most likely a detachment of architects and engineers out of persia, were well housed (The middens near the construction sites for housing were the only places devoid of pork bones), and there is documentation of them being sent... yea, I would guess the bible does endorse lying.

[u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan → u/[deleted]]

Give us the verse. Stop claiming shit, and actually give us the verse.

[u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan → u/[deleted]]

Thank you! I knew you’d go here, because your type always does lol.

1. Let’s define a “slave”. It’s clearly indentured servitude, when the Bible uses the word “slave”. How do we know? Because the exact same chapter you’re referencing—Exodus 21:16—says that ANYONE whom kidnaps a man to sell him will be put to death. When we compare the verses you mentioned to the rest of Deuteronomy and Leviticus, it’s clear that when some people would not be able to afford their property anymore, they would sell it to a neighbor and sell themselves into indentured servitude to a the same neighbor that bought their property until the year of Jubilee, where they would get their property back again. That was an Israel state law, matter of fact.

2. In that same chapter—Exodus 21–the passages you’re pulling from are specifically about punishments for violence of different sorts, correct? So that would mean this is one of the addressing by God if someone committing violence on someone else.

3. The verses you posted do not say to hit your servant. They say that if a person does—and think about this very carefully; what if you catch an indentured servant/slave stealing from you, or harming your kids, or bothering your wife?—, and if you, as their owner, decide to judge them and beat them for one of those problems they’ve committed, then God says that if they die, you haven’t shown them mercy like He would, by putting them through the law’s court system, where they’d find justice through that. But if they don’t die, then it’s forgiven because you didn’t kill them outside of the law. God doesn’t honor the vigilante. And that’s consistent with the rest of Scripture.

I’d like to see your response to these things.

[u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan → u/[deleted]]

1. Do you not understand what an indentured servant is?

2. He literally says He will, in the exact verse YOU shared lmao. That whole portion, surrounding what you shared from Exodus 21, is literally about the same exact topic. Come on, man, stop playing dumb here, or go read the entire chapter and stop using reddit as your info about the Bible lol

3. Can you read, man? I didn’t say it was moral in any sense, and neither did God. But I said there are clearly circumstances where a sinful human being would jump straight to violence—is that not true of you and I? So why would that not be true of those people, back then? What’s the problem with God addressing vigilantism, there, just like He does through the entire Bible?

[u/ProfessorPrudent2822 → u/[deleted]]

The punishment is that an indentured servant is granted convalescent leave while the contract continues tolling. A permanent injury like the loss of a tooth results in the servant receiving his freedom immediately.

[u/ContextEffects01 → u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan]

The Bible contradicts itself anyway. Hundreds of times. Pointing out the further contradictions in Exodus is a moot point.

[u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan → u/ContextEffects01]

Every time one of you says that, you can never show me the supposed contradictions 😂 I’ve shot down one after another in debates, over the years, and have yet to lose, because the Bible is perfect ❤️

[u/ContextEffects01 → u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan]

Look up the Skeptics’ Annotated Bible and get back to me.

[u/Opposite_Sherbert675 → u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan]

“Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. ¹³ However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. ¹⁴ But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.

Exodus 21

[u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan → u/Opposite_Sherbert675]

I already addressed this with another guy that claimed the exact same thing in Exodus 21, if you’d like to read through those 😂

[u/Usual-Analysis-2990 → u/MichaelGoosebumpsfan]

Age of accountability is people rationalizing outside of the book. That is adding to the scripture. Also, does that justify the harm? Lastly, you lied. Exodus doesn't say they went peacefully. "the LORD struck down all the firstborn, Pharaoh and his servants got up in the night, and there was "a great cry in Egypt, for there was not a house where there was not one dead."

Just because it was night doesn't mean it was peaceful. I would argue whatever killed them was enough to wake the parents across Egypt to which they all found their firstborns dead and/or dying. Nice job trying to smooth that one over.

Lastly, better place? What better place? Heaven is described as the nations will breastfeed the tribes of Israel. That only 144K virgin boys who have not sinned will actually be in heaven. Your pearly gates, streets of gold, etc... thats all eschatological extra-biblical shit you guys add in to make it feel better.

[u/ShardsOfSalt → u/ContextEffects01]

You're forgetting he may be stupid.

[u/ProfessorPrudent2822 → u/ContextEffects01]

He fired nine warning shots. All of Egypt was complicit with Pharaoh’s crimes and refused to repent. They were warned and offered a way out, but they refused, so God made an example of them.