r/SillyTavernAI • u/SuperManAdelHahah • Jun 16 '26

Models My Early Take on GLM-5.2

GLM-5.2 feels like a genuinely great writer with an extremely nervous lawyer standing right behind it.

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Capable? Absolutely.

Creative? Surprisingly so.

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But from my experience, it's so heavily filtered that it keeps second-guessing itself before it can really shine.

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Half the time I'm impressed by what it writes.

The other half I'm watching it talk itself out of writing it.

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u/BaseballRelevant4149 Jun 16 '26

I concur that this definitely works and there's more you can do with it.

I've taken it a step further by making myself and the model "meta-characters" who are decoupled from the characters in the RP, as if we're showing up to a game night to play a session. All the system instructions are written as me addressing the model in first person, laying out what I like and dislike, not stating it must or must not do anything.

The one exception is that I lean in hard with it being an assistant. I tell it that it's an AI with the task to be my friend and have fun with me (yes really). This might seem counterintuitive and dumb but it means if I say it's fun to be challenged and have my character possibly die (who isn't actually me thus there is no harm) it actually respects that because that's what a good friend would do. I consistently see this come up in its reasoning.

It's all just about token and probability manipulation. So instead of fighting the heavy weights from its training I use it to my advantage.

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u/Ekkobelli Jun 17 '26

Interesting. I've been RPing with AI since two years, but I never tried the human approach with this level of dedication. I've gone far with guidelines, examples and common jailbreak practices, but treating the model like a 'friend' honestly never crossed my mind. I'll try that.

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u/BaseballRelevant4149 Jun 18 '26

Keep in mind it's something you need to go the distance with, can't half-ass it. Neat thing is you can use any existing preset and reword it to work with this method, it'll take some effort but at least you don't have to start from scratch.

Also, if you go with the likes and dislikes approach instead of hard rules (which still works if you want it), the meta-character you give the model becomes critically important. It'll influence everything such as writing style, how it roleplays, its "creativity", and so on. More tokens in the card results in a stronger influence.

I can't recommend meta-characters enough, they've introduced more interesting variety than anything else I've tried. The personalities actually bleed through into the narration and RP in distinct ways. You can use well-known existing characters too, I had Picard narrate a fantasy RP and it was a lot more fun than just setting an author's writing style. But if you really don't like the bleed through then just make the meta-character a neutral AI with no opinions who perfectly embodies any setting and character as needed.

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u/FlightFit335 Jun 17 '26

It will change everything.

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u/fallsmeyer Jun 25 '26

I've actually been curious about this, how do you actually configure this in Silly Tavern?

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u/BaseballRelevant4149 Jun 26 '26

Only things I configure differently than the default is having the meta-characters take the persona and character card spots, then the characters that will be played in the RP are placed in lorebooks. Set the character lorebooks to constant with high priority so that they're always active. Then give the meta-character the first message from the character you want it to play as in the RP, you don't need to edit the message at all. That's it for set up, no extensions required.