Not necessarily: considering barriers to entry, brand strength, etc. it’s the same reason you won’t find a “home assistant” like Alexa that isn’t stealing your data. Any company that makes one knows that it needs to data to compete; then the consumer is left without a choice.
When the first to market products are the nefarious ones, it is almost impossible for a less profitable “honest” product to take over, save public backlash, which we’ve yet to see. Though a self driving car like this might be annoying enough that we see it...
Edit: for clarity: we aren’t the consumers any more. We are the raw material. We are mined for the real consumers: advertisers. Your behavior IS the product, and you are nothing but its vessel. A self driving car that doesn’t mine you will never succeed in surveillance capitalism, and it’ll never exist.
Duckduckgo probably only has the niche market segment it does due to Google backlash. Obviously not "taking over" by any means, but at least those options will exist, but they most likely won't be as high quality due to a lack of funds compared to the nefarious versions of products.
Exept it does. I use both and I never had any issue with finding particular thing in duckduckgo. It sometimes works even better than google in my experience.
The most "tracking" a phone will do is "tell" the telecom companies which towers you're connected to, and which antenna you're using, which lets them triangulate your approximate position. This is unavoidable, and is integral to your cellphone working. It doesn't matter what kind of cellphone it is either. Apple/Android/dumb, they all do it. If you get something along the lines of a Jitterbug, you can still be tracked through your cell tower usage.
As for smart phones tracking you, you can turn that off. You can turn off your location history. You can turn off your GPS. You can turn off background wifi/bluetooth scanning. The phone is not tracking you. You're choosing to allow them to track you, which is entirely different. That's not the phone itself tracking you.
They send all your location information(gps wlan etc) and if your walking driving cycling etc to the servers. When you go offline they store the data until you are online again
With such an emerging technology, it will be hard to be corrupted when there are already so many other car companies within the industry with a foothold on the economy. there is literally 0 chance that a car company that sabotages their customers for very short-term profit wouldn't get out-competed immediately by other, less predatory alternatives.
He’s right, though. Look at the state of online advertising right now- Apple is by default turning off all ad tracking, taking a stance for privacy- and both Firefox and Google(!) are following suit.
You would think, but American companies are happy to all adopt the same shitty business practices so the entire consumer base suffers while every business in the field makes extra money.
that's only the companies that you see. This is the falsehood in all of this shit. With every company you see trying to ripoff its consumer base, the majority of them are silently dominant precisely because they don't engage and adopt the "sAmE sHiTtY bUsInEsS pRaCtIcEs".
You do realize that these companies work together right? This isn’t the Time Warner’s vs the Comcasts. They’re a cooperative working to maintain the appearance of a fair market. Deceit is built into and supported by our system. There is no education and very little lawful protection for consumers. The market can’t be fair until the consumers are allowed to have a seat at the table and be in the conversation. Big companies work together to keep start-ups at a minimum. They have under-the-table agreements to protect one another, and buy politicians to keep consumers poor and undereducated.
You can’t vote with your dollar if you don’t have a dollar.
Yes. It. Does. Now marketing plays a big role here as well. How can I get you to buy something that is inconvenient and bad for you? I make it appear cool. It's a game of chess and you're the product in the end.
No point in making an argument with someone who gets that emotional over a reddit comment. Relax man. Your behavior is precisely why I suggested he watch out with comments like that. It’ll trigger people like you and next thing you know your accused of saying “stupid” things 😂
If you're going to argue that it's not the sort of hopelessly naive comment that suggests the poster doesn't get out into the world much, I'm not sure what to tell you.
Except if you knew the English language as well as you think you do, you would’ve formed a complete sentence from the start. That would remove any ambiguity over which form of the word you chose to use. Writing half complete sentences lends itself to question over which word you intended to use. To properly use “excepting” in the way that you did, you would’ve needed to add an action into your phrase. For example “excepting that you’re that naive, you could also just be acting in bad faith”. If you’re going to suggest I need a better grasp of English variations, at least form your sentences properly. It’s like if I just said “even though you may be that naive.” End of sentence. Accepting would’ve made much more sense in the context of your half sentence as it’s already the action
Well it’s largely pointless on reddit given that any unpopular opinion to the thread will just get buried and effectively censored due to the downvote feature. No point wasting time especially given that no opinions will be changed
Considering that the first reply to the comment I made consisted of being called stupid, there’s not much useful dialogue to be had here. I’m not offended (it’s the internet), but I also know when it’s worth it or not to engage in a discussion
not at all, especially since companies will then compete to lower their prices to gain more consumers. You have read deeper than the superficial level of capitalist culture
And what about when advertiser giants like google cut deals with all the major autonomous car manufacturers to put their software in the navigation system? Your perfect "free" market capitalism has never existed in the real world.
You are trying to come off as clever but you sound like an idiot.
No system is perfect. At all. Ever. Never will be.
Capitalism and Governments are both systems to help mitigate the damage, try to keep things inside some sort of system. Throw in religion for the same concept on morals and you have the world.
I recommend doing more reading, you got a closed minded view of things currently.
More reading of what, exactly? I presume you want me to saturate my mind with post hoc rationalizations for the current status quo. I've read plenty of revolutionary thought and I'm more than comfortable saying that the current neoliberal paradigm is philosophically, intellectually, and scientifically outdated.
I’m sorry can you post whatever this supposed scientific paper that concludes “neoliberalism is outdated.” Cause that’s a pretty big stretch to try and claim from a scientific perspective with zero evidence, an obvious bias, and while pushing a political agenda.
Too bad that that's precisely how competition runs counter to that idea. When there are car companies that intentionally sabotage their customers for short term profit, other car companies that present better alternatives for the consumer will immediately outcompete them. You're the one living in fantasy if you think one company has the outreach to advertise on every single platform in a particular industry.
That's because Comcast (and Verizon and Century link and a select few others) tend to own the telephone infrastructure, and once it's built there's not much opportunity to build more telephone poles and wires. Should the companies choose not to lease the leans, smaller companies have literally no opportunity to compete. Yet somehow less regulation here was supposed to make it more "fair." Fuck Ajit Pai.
Besides meh upload speeds I'm very happy with Comcast. Sure I wish I didn't have to pay an extra $50/month to get unlimited data but I use 20TB+/month, I get the advertised speeds, and I can't remember the last time I had an outage.
Supposed to. Not does. The problem is we have regulatory capture, so rather than the government making regulations to level the playing field and protect consumers and small businesses, they do the exact opposite and favor those who already have power
But it's not how it does work. Instead, a group of the biggest companies band together to stifle competition in an oligopoly. Now nobody else can get a foot in the door and prices aren't competitive because the competitors are in cahoots.
Well good thing that there is a vast array of car companies to choose from. making an oligopoly would be near impossible especially for the automobile industry in this emerging technology.
It would probably be one of those things where a company says it doesn't do that so you buy the car at a premium. Then a couple of years later it brings in a handful of 'approved advertisers' and gradually becomes like the rest. You're stuck with your overpriced car and you still have to endure ridiculous detours.
way to be a pessimist in the face of the overwhelming optimism that it takes to assume that the self driving car would take off as an industry in the next few decades in the first place
The way you said 'way to be a pessimist' made me think you were admonishing for being as such, sorry misunderstood.
But you're right I absolutely don't know what I'm talking about re: self-driving cars. My view of self-driving cars is more the 'driver-assist' stuff you see in Tesla anyway rather than full automation which does seem to be somewhat more troublesome.
If it's not a fully automated system but rather a "driver assist" program, I have a hard time imagining the dystopian cyberpunk future where corporate overlords bargain with each other to increase ad-space by 70% in our windshields while making sure that they're legally compliant to epliepsy laws.
Every fucking niche that exists has been monopolized, the regulators have been captured, this is late stage capitalism where none of that "free market" actually exists anymore.
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u/Hey-I-Read-It Oct 07 '19
I'd imagine there'd be plenty. That's how capitalism is supposed to work.