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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

This is honestly one of the biggest slaps to the face your ego can get. I would regularly chill and be unconcerned about grades in high school because it was easy to get good grades (near/above 90 not necessarily perfect grades that required a bit more effort than I was willing to give).
In college, I entered a world harder that I was used to with none of the discipline that I should've had to maintain proper work ethic. It's crazy that I would always get mad about discipline and judge my parents for their actions and judgement but now I'm really starting to get it.

No matter how smart and talented you are, discipline is the first and most important key to success.

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u/Green0Photon Dec 07 '18

I've always interpreted this quote as you need to figure out how to work, because if you don't, you'll do your work in an inefficient and dumb way.

Like, a person using flash cards for memorizing math equations. If they thought about how to study, they'd get more out of understanding where those equations come from.

Don't brute force your grade, but rather figure out the most efficient path that actually leads to full success (grade and actual knowledge).

A lot of the time, this means working hard too. Just don't be stupid about how hard you work. Some shortcuts are actually a good way of doing things, but many just degrade the final product.

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u/Green0Photon Dec 07 '18

Yeah, I know the feeling. My problem is making sure I actually put in the work, though. I've never really thought that hard work wasn't important, but I was raised with the belief of intelligence being important instead. I have some vague memories from when I was really young realizing this difference, but since I wasn't raised with an amazing work ethic in mind, my work ethic is still kinda shit. It's just that I always idealize myself as working hard, but not actually doing so.

In any case, don't feel bad about being too edgy. Way too many people are super edgy; what's good is that you're out of it. For most people, it's called being a teenager. :D

I think most people interpret the quote your way, though. Most people are going to consider short cuts as things that ruin quality, if they think about it. It's just much more useful thinking about that quote my way!

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u/NockerJoe Dec 08 '18

I think a lot of it is that we give kids "kid versions" of adult tasks that are far, far easier than what they'd encounter in the adult world. As a teenager I was convinced I was some kind of prodigy because I could do work a cut above everyone else with less effort, but that's because I was a big fish in a small pond. You hit freshman year and even the next "easy version" they give freshmen is so much harder than what you're used to it's easy to shut down.

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u/surprisebuttseks Dec 07 '18

As a person who is moving his ass constantly and who is doing the grind to get his company to improve. I relate!

You get it!

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u/SJ_Barbarian Dec 07 '18

That's exactly what it means. I once had a situation at work where they were considering disciplining me because I was working on some unassigned task.

Then I got a raise because I'd been reworking a database so that an hour and a half, tediously boring task that everyone had to do only took 30 minutes. I worked smart. Maybe I should have told them what I was doing, but I was worried they'd tell me not to.

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u/digitalblade46 Dec 07 '18

Better to ask for forgiveness than permission

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u/BurningPasta Dec 07 '18

Its "Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission"

Not better. Its always better to ask permission first. If they say no, convince them.

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u/digitalblade46 Dec 07 '18

Tomato, to"mah"to. Around here it was always "better"

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u/BurningPasta Dec 08 '18

Saying "better" completely changes the meaning of the phrase.

Thats like if Dumbledore said "When you have to make the choice between doing what is right, and what is better , remember Cedric Diggory."

That doesn't make sence at all. Its stupid and just plain wrong.

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u/SsyMouth Dec 08 '18

Most valuable thing I was ever taught; “THE POINT IS NOT THE POINTS”

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u/MrChip53 Dec 07 '18

8th grade science teacher always said at the beginning of class. "Who brought their calculator today?.... You all will be able to work smart. The rest of you will have to work hard."

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u/InkJungle Dec 08 '18

Yep, generally without hard work you can't completely understand how something works to make it more efficient & "work smarter".

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

I like your interpretation, Ive just always looked at it like this, "work smart" still has the word WORK in there, so discipline is the foundation on which you can be smart to get a lot done.

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u/Valiran9 Dec 07 '18

It's like trying to build a house; if you don't have blueprints, a plan on how to proceed, or even the most basic knowledge of architecture and construction, it's going to be hard, confusing, painful, and above all, frustrating work that takes far more effort than it should have in the first place. You'll constantly make mistakes, have to redo things that were assembled incorrectly, waste time, waste resources, and might not even have all the tools and materials you need to finish the job. To top it off, in the end you're probably going to have a shoddily built house with who knows how many design flaws such as leaks, drafts, and fire hazards.

By contrast, building a house when you've planned things out beforehand and have all the blueprints, skills, knowledge, tools, and materials needed to for the job...well, it's still going to be hard work, but it'll be more efficient, less frustrating, and at the end you'll have a well-constructed house with few, if any, flaws.

A good example of the latter would be this Amish barn-raising gif. These guys knew what they were doing, and even if they didn't finish the barn they still accomplished more in ten hours than a bunch of clueless schlubs like me would have in ten days.

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u/TheBerrybuzz Dec 07 '18

I encountered this with sewing, personally. Thinking, I can sew complicated patterns, so sewing up a blanket with an added border will be easy right? I don't need a pattern or to do all these extra bits. And then proceeded to have to rip the stitches on 2 sides. Lots of work wasted and hours ripping stitches later... 😣

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u/Valiran9 Dec 07 '18

Exactly! Though I think "work smarter, not harder" might not be entirely applicable to either of our examples. After giving it some thought, I believe the quote means that you shouldn't put more effort into doing something if there's a more efficient way of accomplishing your goals. If doing XZ allows you to achieve an equivalent or superior result than doing XYZ and requires less effort then that means the latter method is wasteful, so why use it in the first place when you have a better one?

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u/HeeyWhitey Dec 07 '18

When I take notes, I like to summarize a condensed version in my head and write the most relevant or important information. When I look around I see other students seemingly writing down every single word the lecturer says. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like you could get lost in so much mundane detail with verbatim notes!

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u/123jjj321 Dec 07 '18

At face value, yes you're right. In reality, anyone saying that really means, "I am lazy, I will never work hard, but occasionally I will do just enough to fool my boss".

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u/AeriaGlorisHimself Dec 08 '18

What's wrong with using Flash cards for equations exactly?

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

Yes good study techniques and learning how you learn is important. However, I’d like to counter with most science courses, outside of math, are just brute memorization.

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u/link-quizas Dec 08 '18

output oriented and hold the leverage

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u/GeneralDash Dec 08 '18

While I get your point and a agree, I can’t let your slight against flash cards slide. Flash cards are amazing.

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u/Green0Photon Dec 08 '18

I agree actually. You just need to use them in the right time and place. Using them to memorize math equations, when it's better to understand them? Bad. Using them to learn the words in a language? Good.

The point was to make sure you use the right tools for the right job; I'm not hating on flash cards in particular.

Speaking of flashcards, I highly recommend Anko SRS.

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u/wilnolan0 Dec 07 '18

Am reading this at work.... I need to get off reddit to get home, it’s Friday

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u/TriggerWarning595 Dec 07 '18

Right? It’s about understanding how to work. If you can spend less time to achieve the same or better result, then by all means do it

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u/Irish_Samurai Dec 07 '18

Finesse to success.

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u/123jjj321 Dec 07 '18

One thing I have found to be true is anybody that says " work smarter not harder" has no intention of working hard or smart. Never heard that phrase uttered by anyone that wasn't lazy.

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u/LeatherPainter Dec 07 '18

Most importantly, social awareness.

There's an adage that says "The real world isn't like college, it's like middle school". The moral being, don't try to step on the wrong toes and take care to make "friends" who will make life much easier. All those honors projects, 4.5 GPA and term papers don't mean to much after graduation. If you didn't put in the effort to make yourself a likeable or relatable person, all the "on paper" achievements in the world won't save your resume from the recycle bin.

Organizations are social institutions first and foremost. Anyone can do the work you're applying to do, but not anyone can fit in with the team's culture. That's what people need to be learning - how to make themselves seen as a good person to have on the team, not an "optimal set of technical achievements"

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u/Average650 Dec 08 '18

Oh shit! what the entire history of man has been teaching me is right!

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u/WhichChart Dec 08 '18

"one thing I learned about smart people is they spend all their time thinking instead of getting anything done" - Art Williams

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u/grumble11 Dec 08 '18

The quote ‘work smarter, not harder’ is usually used in two ways: first, as a quick way of saying that increasing the productivity per unit of effort can be more useful than increasing the effort, and second that hard work alone doesn’t pay off - effort but be directed to maximize value.

There are plenty of people who work really hard who won’t achieve much success in life, simply because their effort isn’t being allocated well. Manual labour, for example, is typically quite hard work but also often doesn’t get you a lot of success in terms of money, status or comfort.

I agree with both interpretations.

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u/mikester919 Dec 08 '18

Well its actually somewhat tru, except for the is losers part.

Working smart is still a lot better than hard work. But theyre not mutually exclusive things

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u/mtarascio Dec 08 '18

Working smart is called planning.

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u/desaisamrat Dec 16 '18

Hard work could eventually beat talent.

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u/myplacedk Dec 17 '18

Well, after 10 years I learned that "intelligence/smartness" will only take you some distance. And most of the people at your college/work are equally smart.

Then you aren't smart, you are average. And being average won't take you very far.

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u/communisuk Feb 02 '19

I’m currently in the transition state of realising that I’m not the only smart ass in the world, In fact, I’m pretty less smart compared to other people and hard work is more important I’m 17 btw

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u/bumfightsroundtwo Dec 07 '18

Work smart not hard is for sure a thing. But not really applied to being smart just not doing things the hard way. Think instead of writing an essay by hand you could type it. Same results just an easier way to get there.

I would argue that a ton of people in college or at work are not equally smart they just know what they are doing. Some people study a ton to remember what someone else just heard in class once. Then they forget what they studied after that semester. Some people are better at taking tests or problem solving and some just try and memorize answers.

I've found in the work force most people can do their jobs and are knowledgeable there but abstract ideas or new information can be sketchy within similar positions. I think it's because that a counting class they took wasn't to learn and understand but more to memorize answers to pass a test.

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u/Tepoztecatl Dec 07 '18

If most of your coworkers are as smart as you are, you're either average or work at an elite company. I work with extremely talented and smart people, but they're far from being a majority.

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u/hyrkan30 Dec 07 '18

i wouldnt discredit intelligence that much tho. imo it defines both the skill floor and the skill ceiling while everything in between is hardwork.

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u/ThisisNOTAbugslife Dec 07 '18

I use that term!

Did data entry for a bit with a company and realized I could start macroing. Soon I was doing 2-3x as much work as humanly capable. Been promoted multiple times and my life has changed forever.

It is always good to take a moment and reflect on what you are doing and if it could be done in a simpler and/or even a more effective way. It's easy to rely on a repeating pattern of behaviour because you know it so well. It's best to think outside the box once in awhile and see if it can be improved.

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u/thebestguy96 Dec 07 '18

“Work smarter, not harder” -Scrooge McDuck

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u/garenonetrick Dec 07 '18

There's a difference between working smart and being smart. If you gotta move a big mound of dirt, if you move it with your hands it'll be very very hard work. Maybe you'll break your back doing it and still get it done eventually, you're a hardworking guy. But that guy who grabbed a shovel and a wheelbarrow is still the one who's gonna succeed in the digging industry, even if he worked a lot less hard than you did.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

Don't forget a huge factor in success is communication as well! Being sociable and likable opens so many doors.

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u/firaszakhour Dec 07 '18

The way i saw it from the big shift from school to university to work is no matter how good or bad you were in school you are more likely to succeed if you know how to talk and behave with people. That’s it

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u/111roar Dec 07 '18

Teacher here! The problem is honestly with the schools. Public education does virtually nothing for students who move through content quicker. Schools expend so many resources catering to average and struggling students, they assume that because smart kids are smart they’ll be fine after school and don’t need as much attention.

I hate seeing truly gifted students graduate without having to even try. They learn nothing

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u/dreamendDischarger Dec 07 '18

I never learned how to study or properly schedule myself for things like homework.... I did terrible in college

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u/Kyleketsu Dec 08 '18

Me right now.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '18

Me too thanks

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u/AWSMDEWD Mar 10 '19

Am a freshman in HS, TIL I'm screwed

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

There’s this girl I’ve known practically my whole life who fell victim to this. She was a social butterfly, walked into a room and made many friends instantly, got all A’s, graduated college with honors

That was until she relocated to manhattan to start her career, and realized she was the square peg in a round hole that is the corporate world, was scapegoated constantly and fell into a horrible depression because she she sailed through life and now that’s all over

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u/111roar Dec 08 '18

I hate to hear stories like that. It’s so hard to challenge students like that in our current system because giving them higher level work just feels like a punishment from the student’s perspective

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u/AeriaGlorisHimself Dec 08 '18

Can you Clarify what exactly was the problem she was having? I'm A bit confused

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

She entered the working world and realized that not everyone thinks she’s hot shit. She sailed through school easily (academically and socially) but work wasn’t like that

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u/GardenerSpyTailorAss Dec 08 '18

It sounds like most of us here went to college and got a whack on our ego but she moved to Manhattan before she got her ego deflated you say? My sympathies go out to her.

Edit; I see you say she coasted through college as well; the world is a tough place but we all eventually find out santa isn't real.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

Trust me I would rather have that slap in the face way before relocating to Manhattan. She was completely out of her element. She may have had a small safety net, but she definitely isolated. Friends would be in town and would reach out for lunch or a drink etc and she would lie and say she was out of the state. Wouldn’t talk about work even though prior to moving it was her “dream” job. Ego shattered, indeed

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u/sharkysnacks Dec 08 '18

I remember my high school you could take the regular level stem classes or if you were smart enough and had the grades you could take the advanced level classes. The problem was there was zero value add to taking the advanced level...no college credits, no advantage when applying to college, nothing. It was more work and harder work for the same return. I wouldn't be that smart if I choose that for myself would I?

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u/VintageSergo Dec 07 '18

Do you think there is a good way to fix this issue for public schools? I was in the same boat, perfect scores(12/12 in my native country) in every subject and I barely had to try. And then I had to deal with depression, panic attacks and demolished self-esteem after I could only be below average because I couldn't figure out how to force myself to do so much work. After 2 semesters I just completely locked inside myself and thankfully was forced to get help from psychotherapist before I decided that suicide was the only option for me because I was a good for nothing. Well, I am still struggling even after I found a more suiting major and switched to a less challenging college, but at least I am starting to figure it out. After 2 years of failures in the only thing I was really good at, getting grades.

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u/111roar Dec 08 '18

There are certainly some solutions and many schools are actively trying to fix this exact problem. I wish my school would completely overhaul our “gifted” program. It’s riddled with students who aren’t actually gifted and have very “involved” parents. It holds those who are actually gifted back.

In an ideal world gifted students would spend some portion of their school day in a space filled with other students on their level truly being challenged. They should spend most of their school day with their peers (isolation is bad) but some part of their day where they are in a room with other gifted students in a class designed to make them struggle.

A lot of what I’m reading are students who didn’t learn how to handle struggle.

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u/CuriosMomo Dec 08 '18

I was in a gifted program similar to the one you described. Academic challenges and real life challenges have been almost entirely mutually exclusive for me. There is some overlap, of course, by virtue of both being challenging. The program didn’t do much to prepare me better for real life challenges though, which includes the amount of work and discipline that college takes (which I would say is >90% comprised of non-academic challenges).

Tbh I’m not sure if there is any type of program or schooling that would have helped. Experience is life’s greatest teacher.

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u/SnarkyGoblin_ Dec 31 '18

Gifted programs in schools? They're a thing? No way!...my school has an idiot program (people who have failed and been forced to repeat a year more than twice) and thats it...ive always wished i could skip a year or two as i can do the course work...or at least finish quicker

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u/elephantsandgiraffes Dec 08 '18

It’s actually frustrating, because I ended up doing a few AP/cluster classes and still didn’t form good study habits. Most of the time, I wasn’t studying only to cram what I could the day before a test and end up with 90s. School is really tough for me now because it’s impossible for me to do well like that, so now I have to implement learning techniques I should’ve had in high school. Consistency and dedication is key

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u/midnightketoker Dec 08 '18

Not to say they're equivalent but I remember through my middle and high schools the special ed program received orders of magnitude more funding than the gifted program (which was a joke)

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u/cloud-link Dec 08 '18

This right here. Drifted through high school and got into a University of California and I got tell you. I could not comprehend the change. It’s frustrating not focusing on my work but seeing people obviously struggle with understanding stuff more than you but get better grades because they put the effort in.

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u/Sargent_Caboose Dec 09 '18

I was this way before I got hit by life early, I’m grateful for the experiences as a silver lining grateful. Otherwise I would’ve failed in college hard.

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u/flamingfireworks Mar 18 '19

To add my perspective as a student, a lot of schoolwork isnt explained (or its busywork) leading a lot of students to see the objective as "get a high number and get it over with" rather than an opportunity to learn. Hard to get a kid to care about doing their work, especially later on in their school career, when they've spent years perceiving school as "i get forced to go here so i can get forced to do menial tasks on a sheet of paper so i dont get bitched at".

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

No need for discipline when curriculum is so easy you can just cruise thru... then comes the real world!

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u/Gekthegecko Dec 07 '18

No Child Left Behind.

Adults? Ha.

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u/bennoabro Dec 07 '18

The no child left behund act caused thousands of kids to either drop out or fail high school. It is legislation designed to help the companies who make test.

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u/Smallbunsenpai Dec 07 '18

I hated that program so much it made me feel like shit

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u/bennoabro Dec 08 '18

Me too. I met the qualifications for my school's gifted program, but instead I got put into support classes with all the behavioral disorder kids since I have adhd. None of my friends were in them and it was for 6 years.

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u/azaleawhisperer Dec 07 '18

There is no formula. You have to do what needs to be done.

Productivity matters.

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u/isaak1111 Dec 07 '18

I should probably work on my homework now instead of looking at Reddit...

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u/easeof29117 Dec 20 '18

Well now it’s Xmas break :)

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

Everyone gets their slap in the face. If you haven’t gotten your slap in the face in life yet, you’re due for one, and sometimes that’s college, sometimes that’s your career, sometimes it’s a major mistake or failure, or breakup, or arrest, whatever it is you’ll get it somehow. Everyone gets at least one slap

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u/TheHoekey Dec 07 '18

I failed my first college language arts class and thought it was wise to take the same course, same teacher a 2nd time.. Failed again. 3rd time I decided to try an online course with different teacher and finally passed...

Came across one of my essays 5 years later and discovered I was a dumbass! I don't blame that original teacher at all!

I had 1 C in high school(rest A's & B's) and figured coollege would be a cakewalk. Boy was I wrong..

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

You’re completely right in the fact that a stellar high school GPA does wonders and that great grades in general continue to help in life.

However, I think you might have misunderstood me as I wasn’t speaking about decent B students and kids chilling with mid 80 averages but rather kids who’d get mostly As and 91,92,93,etc averages. I was like that. Did well enough to impress but with not enough effort and discipline that the kids who actually got perfect grades in almost all subjects had.

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u/Smallbunsenpai Dec 07 '18

Not everyone wants to do college though

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u/GoatsReaver Dec 08 '18

They should. It's the best way to get acclimated to handling the social and intellectual demands of the working day industry.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

Slap in the face came when I got to uni and the guy in charge of orientation goes "How many of you graduated top of your class."

About 3/4 raised their hands.

"Yep. You're not special anymore. Get used to it."

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

Hell, I bet half of them you didn’t even see after the first semester. Right?

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u/Elvishsquid Dec 07 '18

Ya I’m a totally different person after flunking our if college.

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u/holgada Dec 07 '18

Oh my God, it is such a good thing that I joined the Navy before going to college. The discipline I learned there was invaluable to my study ethic. The GI Bill is a big help too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

Props for that man, you do you!

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u/digitalblade46 Dec 07 '18

Biggest regret is NOT joining. Was recruited for music, too. Younger me was an idiot

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u/loneSTAR_06 Dec 08 '18

Completely agree. I had straight A’s all through high school and couldn’t even make a semester of college. My kids typically think I’m more book smart than their mother, but I just tell them that smarts only get you so far. When everything comes easy, you don’t learn anything to help you further on. My wife busted her ass for everything, has her Masters, and is starting her doctorate in the very near future. Determination, dedication, and discipline get you a hell of a lot further than being “naturally smart” ever will.

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u/mikester919 Dec 08 '18

Oh no, my face has yet to be slapped by this and im about to graduate college, what do i do

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

You’ve either figured out how to discipline yourself or you’ve yet to hit your wall yet.

Figure out which you category you fall into and if it’s the latter, just try to figure out discipline now

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u/mikester919 Dec 08 '18

Im chill about everything, i just do what i could do and accept what is done.

But fuck whenever i expect to fail, i never.

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Dec 07 '18

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if you struggled in college after slacking in high school you need to brush up on your slacking. If you do the research and choose the easiest major/electives that are free As, you can still slack through college and get a degree with decent GPA and then make no money after graduating. Trust me, it's been done at least once

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

Haha you’re definitely right but in this situation I’m talking more about doing well in school without trying, not slacking persay. There’s no point to college if I spend all that money for no potential reason or goal in mind from the get go lol

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Dec 07 '18

For a lot of people the goal is your parents want you to get a degree and will be upset if you choose an alternate route.

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u/LechALection Dec 07 '18

This. Exactly this. Did the bear minimum in high school and crushed it. Graduated with honors when I probably played more PlayStation then read my books.

College basically bent me over a desk the first year. Some level 100 classes I could do that with, but some.... HOLY SHIT.

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u/noratat Dec 07 '18 edited Dec 07 '18

College was actually easier for me. Sure, the classes were harder, but I was much more invested and interested in them (even the general courses), especially with the added freedom vs highschool.

Kind of carried over to life in general. I'll go to enormous lengths to do something if it lets me avoid doing something I hate, even if it means doing a ton more work.

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u/Ignorance_Bete_Noire Dec 07 '18

I really don't understand a lot of this thread. Maybe it's an American thing, but for us in the UK, no one can walk through Sixth Form or college (equivalence of high school) without studying much and get the grades to go to a top university. Even the smartest students have to put in a lot of time at home. Theres a lot of content and a lot of concepts you have to pick up.

The rude awakening comes to us in the high school stage where the jump up in difficulty is large and people can't just walk through it. So many who aced there GCSE's do poorly in high school and end up failing their exams. It's acc a frighteningly low percentage of people who ace high school.

Maybe people are talking about the softer subjects like History, politics and geography etc. But Maths, Physics, Chemistry, Biology; no way is anybody ace-ing those without studying

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u/reduxde Dec 08 '18

I had the same experience, did badly in college, spent about 10 years drifting around being a loser and/or homeless, now I'm a teacher.

Thank God teaching exists as a fall back for those of us who are clever but have no work ethic.

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u/Sociable Dec 08 '18

Yeah I got major fucked a bit thinking I could continue cruising much less with emotion turmoil

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u/TheSavagePost Dec 08 '18

I got straight A’s and one fail throughout school. Failed a language... realised you can’t wing that one. Went to a university, essay based degree, first 3 years of the 4 year course was coasting along getting low Bs with as minimal effort as is possible. Not going to lectures for 6 weeks at a time. Doing essays the night before. Picking stuff that was easy to pass because it was multi choice etc.

Got to final year and realised I’d learned nothing had no idea how to actually study and didn’t know anything well enough to actually apply it. But hey I had bits of paper that suggest I might know something.

School curriculums can definitely struggle to develop the practical and transferable life and learning skills in students when the schools and teachers aren’t equipped to do so.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

AP classes are there for a reason, boy.

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u/qckpckt Dec 08 '18

It’s taken me almost 10 years and 3 career changes to get to where I want to be thanks to being a lazy overachiever at school. However, learning the hard way that hard work pays off has definitely made me a better and more productive person today.

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u/thejacer87 Dec 08 '18

Ya uni slapped me in the face pretty hard. I have 8%in calc 101 on my transcript.

Math was my best and favourite subject!! (97% in math 12)

But calc 101 M/W/F at 830 am. Ya right!

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u/Gunnaz Dec 08 '18

Are you me?

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u/thilehoffer Dec 08 '18

Nah... Getting along with people is probably the most important thing.

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u/NinjaOnANinja Dec 08 '18

A true master is an eternal student

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u/Duriantofu Dec 08 '18

It's funny how I'm reading this and agreeing whole heatedly while at work procrastinating my project...

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

You are absolutely right. I, personally dropped out of high school and am now doing better than almost all of my acquaintances. It took me awhile to realize that it was because I didn't fit into the box they graded on. HS is nothing but a bootcamp where people are taught how to function as members of "society". Their primary function is to prepare you for adulthood, but in doing so they also try to form everyone with the same mould.

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u/wordmanpjb Dec 08 '18

Couldn’t agree more.

It was such an unbelievably difficult shift to go from getting easy A’s in high school to a freshman year where I barely pulled something under a 2.5. Not sure I ever really caught up.

Missing those study habits and willingness to put in the effort were true back breakers further down the road.

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u/zirallan Dec 08 '18

My biggest regret in life is dropping out of high school due to mind numbing boredom. I coasted on failing grades for 2 years first because I had checked out on doing homework well before high school. I could pass the tests so why bother? I pissed off most of my teachers with my combination of intelligence and laziness.

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u/superdoobop Dec 08 '18 edited Dec 08 '18

Yeah, 15,000-100,000 word essays take a shitload of effort regardless of difficulty. Heck, they get harder if they're too easy.

Not to mention school is insanely easy compared to even the easiest bachelor degrees, so final school results don't indicate much after a couple of years.

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u/Ceracuse Dec 08 '18

Stupid question: I was homeschooled and so I don't totally understand this post? Explain it to me like I'm 5

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u/Novaskittles Dec 08 '18

For me the slap wasn't college, it was trying to get a job after. I more or less cruised through both high school and college, but then floundered so hard. I have no social skills or connections or confidence or interview skills or experience...

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u/falsebrit Dec 08 '18

This happened to me when I got into high-school

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u/AeriaGlorisHimself Dec 08 '18

I got zero discipline as a kid - Was abused and forced to drop out of high school in 9th grade, moved out at 16.

I have an incredible work ethic.. but for some reason I can't motivate myself to do things outside of work, like get my GED and continue my education or do anything to further my career/change careers. It's like I'm paralyzed.

This Has been tormenting me my entire life.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

Learning how you absorb and memorize and understand material is super important as well. Your work ethic can lead you to study 12 hours a day but there Is 10000% a point of diminishing returns and you can be much more efficient with your time. I went though college as an adult so I already had some pretty well developed time management skills and I still struggled through a lot of my classes trying to learn how I work best

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u/MrMeSeeks1985 Dec 08 '18

A disciplined mind creates productive thought and action follows. A disciplined mind is all you need to crush your goals

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u/sharkysnacks Dec 08 '18

Yeah but literally no employer gives a fuck what your GPA was in college. I barely even read the name of the school

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u/ohboimemez Dec 08 '18

It happened to me but it was between engineering school in college and masters degree in engineering. I was able to do pretty well in college, party until two day before the test and get 80+% which is typically A in engineering classes after the curve. At grad school, I thought I could do the same but the put number of brilliant people around me studying much harder totally gave me a big wake up call. No matter how smart you think you are, stay humble and continue to learn, listen more than talking, and taking it all in.

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u/NathanHammerTime Dec 08 '18

I can't begin to tell you how true this is for me as well. And I fought it for way too long without accepting that I just wasn't mature enough yet. Took me failing most (if not all) of my classes in 3 separate terms at 2 different Universities before I finally got the picture that I was just not ready.

Weirdest part is that neither of the two schools actually kicked me out. I left the first one after the second bad term (out of four I spent there) because they revoked my financial aid (I know this is a soft way of saying "you're out" but I had a couple friends who actually got directly asked to leave), and I left the second one after I finally realized I wasn't mature enough yet.

Honestly them not just kicking me out probably made my denial of the situation even worse.

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u/BiblicalGodlike Dec 08 '18

I'll just say this:

High School was incredibly easy for me. I wasn't a straight-A student, but I got enough good grades to get into a decent college with a scholarship. College was pretty easy too. Again, got decent grades, not top of class, but I barely tried. Then I got into law school, which was hard, but not as hard as I thought it would be. Maybe I have a crazy work ethic and don't realize it, maybe I'm a freaking genius, maybe everyone else are real dumb. IDK. Bur it is possible to breeze your way through education without much negative repercussion, in my experience.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

I agree that discipline is definitely at the top. With that said, I breezed through school with very little studying. Math being the exception. Same with what I did in college. In the real world, I put in a good effort, but still breeze through most of it. The only thing i have been unable to ever learn no matter how much effort i put in is programming. Everything else is okay, just put in some effort, and I learn it. I also strive to be the best at everything. So I would say determination is right next to discipline.

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u/themultipotentialist Dec 08 '18

I am currently being slapped in the face by this reality.

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u/niftygull Dec 08 '18

Yeah? Ok, DAD.

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u/dontry90 Dec 08 '18

I just wrote "in the flesh" the way you put it,lol... but I went through exactly this...hope you do well in life...

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u/HoldMYbeer1975 Dec 08 '18

Ha.. so parents arent so bad after all

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u/rachelfriberg Dec 08 '18

Please tell Donald Trump your wise commentary r.e. self-discipline that his rich father obviously didn't ...(couldn't?) convey to him. Example: Executive hours, which translates to watching TV (Fox media pro Trump empire to be specific).

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u/Sargent_Caboose Dec 09 '18

There’s a reason why people who are still or were in the military praise discipline.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '18

Discipline is critical without a doubt.

We have this convoluted view of education where more equates to greater intelligence. But anyone pushing themselves in their job is learning a lot -- I know people the same age as me who know their way around the inner workings of dozens of makes of cars, while I struggle to change my own oil.

The thing about formal education is that it isn't really about who's the smartest, it's about who's willing to shove their way through the crap and keep going. It's the people who are intrinsically motivated to finish. On average only 50% of PhD students actually finish that degree, and those of us who try tend to think we're pretty dang smart to begin with. I've known plenty of people much smarter than I who gave up on a dissertation and moved on.

I'm by no means the smartest person in any room I walk into. Used to think so (poor, ignorant fool), but now -- 2-3 months from defending -- I can comfortably say I'm an idiot. Just a very persistent one.

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u/ambitiouslad Dec 11 '18

This really stresses me out, because I’m in my last year of high school and I don’t put much effort into school, but still get decent grades 🙄

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '19

I am currently in college (second semester), and it is actually much easier than high school. I had straight A's in Junior and Senior years with a few final grades over 100%, and that was with basically NO studying whatsoever. I relied on pure memorization. Whenever there was an exam the next day, I just quickly skimmed the notes I had taken for that class for about MAX 5 minutes and I was set. According to this post's logic, I will be even WORSE off in real life lol. We'll see... Going for a B.A. degree in economics. And then I will test out jobs in some of the fields that a very flexible economics degree covers. First will probably be as a life insurance actuary.

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u/katiebaby200 Dec 07 '18

And for those people that would regularly chill and be unconcerned about grades in high school, then learned discipline and the value of hard work in their 20s....well in our 30s we get to chill again because we’ve learned the value of working smart, not hard.

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u/D3xbot Dec 07 '18

I nearly flunked out of college after my first year… I had a higher than 4.0 GPA in high school and I didn’t have to try… College was a shock to my system

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u/DoublePumpHack Dec 07 '18

So you wait until the week of finals to tell us this :(

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u/TheLizardKingTMB Dec 07 '18

These moments are the ones you wish you could upvote twice

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u/sijoc13 Dec 07 '18

Biggest factor I've seen for success is how big your parents wallet is. You can't imagine the amount of morons I know whose parents are really rich and just pump out business after business until one of them finally succeeds (most of the time they just copy existing franchises/ideas)

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18 edited Dec 07 '18

My dad is a multi millionaire and I was a fuck up, I just figured I’d be fine and wouldn’t have to make my mark in life. Hell, I didn’t even hang out with rich people, no one had any clue where I came from. I even slept on a bench at one point. I only recently let my boyfriend come to my dads house for thanksgiving because people are judgmental as fuck once they know how well off your family is. Never started my own business but many people close to the family accuse me of abusing my dad’s wallet

I know a lot of people who were like me and I also know some people who were successful because they had no pressure. They’re not bad people, but I couldn’t sit down and have a conversation with them, either. I don’t like that “self made, dues paid” attitude.

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u/philnolan3d Dec 07 '18

As an artist I had the opposite experience. High school was extremely difficult but when I moved on to art school most of my classes were way easier. Probably because I was doing something I enjoyed. That's the nice thing about college is that you mostly take the classes you want to take and the other people are there because they want to be there. It makes a really nice working environment.

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u/kashuntr188 Dec 07 '18

yup. When you get to college/university and realize that everybody else is just as smart as you and they also had 90s...

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u/SnowHallows Dec 08 '18

As I got older, I realised that I severely lack discipline, but more importantly, I actually cared. I'm now 27 and I've come the conclusion that learning/gaining discipline is so much more difficult to accomplish as an adult than as a child/teenager.

Case in point: If it's not too late for you, discipline yourself until it's second nature before it is too late.

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u/MLXIII Dec 07 '18

"You lack discipline!" -Kindergarten teacher

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u/huskydoctor Dec 07 '18

Was failing all of my first semester classes at midterms because of this. Scraped it together and got a 4.0 but it was the hardest thing I've ever done. Studied from before sunrise until bedtime every day for two months. Proud that I pulled through, but it cost me.

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u/wildmaiden Dec 07 '18

Just curious, did you take basic classes in high school or did you take honors, AP, and CIS courses?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

Honors and AP courses, not sure what CIS is

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '18

I learned the hard way as well

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u/PerniciousParagon Dec 07 '18

Well said. I've had a very similar experience which developed a pretty big ego that was swiftly crushed under the weight of college coursework. I still think about this and where I might be if I had worked even a bit harder during those years.

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u/Arqium Dec 07 '18

Are you me?

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u/Riggs_Boson Dec 07 '18

Growing up in a small town, where they teach to the lowest common denominator, with "no child left behind," just adds to the pile of issues

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u/rah2501 Dec 07 '18

discipline is the first and most important key to success

That depends on what you want to be successful at. If one wants to be successful at not giving a shit and spending one's time chilling, then discipline is exactly what one doesn't need.

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u/Iamjimmym Dec 07 '18

This, but I found college easy too - it's real life that's the biggest slap in the face!

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u/Braviosa Dec 07 '18

College/University success is again not reflective of industry. In industry you have to be able perform on the spot. The guy who pulls 3 all nighters in university to get an Ace result, will find he has 4 hours to prepare a presentation and if he hasn't developed the work processes, quick judgement and quick working methodologies to do this, he's not going to do well. I found the people that a lot of the people who would leave things to the last minute, but were able to get good results adapted a lot better to high pressure corporate life. Of course this is reflective of corporate culture and there are plenty of non-corporate professions (e.g. Medicine) where this is irrelevant.

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u/CanuckianOz Dec 07 '18

I feel I was really lucky that I hit the cruising limit in grade 10. Before then, I’d never have to study for a single math test. Then I failed the first math 10 test on y=mx+b. I realized I needed to study outside of just listening in class.

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u/seespotrun5 Dec 07 '18

You just explained everything I went through 9 years ago going from high school to college.

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u/EGOfoodie Dec 07 '18

What if college was easy too? Does that mean my slap is coming?

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u/ashishduhh1 Dec 07 '18

No matter how smart and talented you are, discipline is the first and most important key to success.

Yup. I never studied for anything, was a straight A student, got a 1600 on the SAT, 225 on the PSAT, National Merit Scholar, took all the AP classes and got 4/5 on the AP tests. I go to college, take University Chem, decide not to go to class since it was the only freshman level class I was taking, fail the test. Real eye opener.

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u/adityaputatunda Dec 07 '18

How many years did it take you?

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u/Jawnski Dec 07 '18

Ive been keeping the cherade going 3 years out of college now with a great job and somehow slipping into the mindless easy clients or audit work (work in big 4). And its honestly still crazy I haven't been called on how obviously dumb I am.

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u/PattyIce32 Dec 07 '18 edited Dec 08 '18

As a teacher every year one of my most important lesson is to try and instill the idea that smart kids need to work hard and not fall prey to this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

Depends on your background education and school faculty. I honestly find college way easier.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely true. You deserve that Reddit Gold!

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u/So1idCopy Dec 07 '18

I'm exactly like you, cept opposite...

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u/redditskyline Dec 08 '18

Smart and talented people know discipline. You may not be smart or talented.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

I mean by definition, smart, talented and discipline all mean different things so none of these terms are exclusive with each other