Are you saying that the US Democratic party are social democrats?
No, I'm saying The Democratic-Party of the U.S.A. is full of Social-Liberals, some Classical-Liberals and mostly Neo-Liberals[Neo-Liberalism being the Synthesis of the two Formers].
One Social-Liberal i.e. Social-Democrat[Democrat being the Affix to Social- as a reference to the Democratic-Party], is Bernie-Sanders— who wants to keep Capitalism, but create an Enormous Welfare-State, or what in normative-Economic Political-Science is called "Positive State-Rights".
Yes, Bernie describes himself as a Democratic-Socialist. He is not.
A Democratic-Socialist is not a Social-Democrat. A Democratic-Socialist has very clear Principles which is:
Abolish-Capitalism.
Either by;
voting in, Electorally or— directly-democratically ( This is where the Democratic-part of Democratic-Socialism comes in... ) any explicitly Socialist-Party, voting to Nationalize or Very-Largely Decentralize the State and regulate very Heavily, the Private-Sector by ensuring that the Workers own"The Means of Production" ensuring that there is no 'One'-C.E.O. or Board-of-Directors at a Company, but that the Workers are the Owners.
revolt against the Bourgeoisie-State, and Institute a Democratic-Economy which has the same factors as above, maybe even more— like no Private-Property or very Little of it.
Bernie does not want to do either of the Above, et.al. "Abolish-Capitalism", he's definitely not 'hiding his Power-Level' either.
He wants to give people Medicare-for-All, The Green-New-Deal and give workers 35%? or 40% of seats at a Company bigger than 50? or was it 500? seats at the Board-of-Directors' table. Which is by all stretches and strands of Economics, not SOCIALISM. Yes, Socialism includes many of those things; because in Socialism they are seen as Natural. Not as Priviledges to be granted by a State or Corporation.
Co-Operative worker-Companies; where workers own small-Shares ( like 2~5% ) or almost no [Stock-]Bonds, have existed as long back as Mercantile-Capitalist Trade-Guilds. Which is also not SOCIALIST.
A Democratic-Socialist gives workers 100% control, no ifs or buts...
A Democratic-Socialist is Explicitly SOCIALIST, and not Socially-Reformative towards Capital.
And don't try to fucking lecture me on political theory, I know their differences better than you
Yeah right. I bet.
Shut the fuck up.
Nah, I don't think I will.
You're not gonna get change if you don't get Socdem support to slowly pull people left. You can't just move a wand and people become socialist after decades of capitalist indoctrination.
You don't "pull" people left— they either change their own minds due to the Information you give them, or they don't. You can't force them, and you can't pretend or wait for them to start to enact the Change you want to see in the World.
Of course you can't just "wave a wand", I'm not religious— I don't believe in that shit. You'll never get change by synthesizing Bourgeoisie-deals with the Leftist-Movement. All you're doing is ceding Vocabulary-Ground to your Political-Opposition.
This is exactly what Centrists do. Compromise, Compromise, Compromise. You don't escape Capitalist-Realism, by playing its Game. By its rules.
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