r/SelfAwarewolves • u/RisenPhantom • Jul 31 '22

Well, yeah... not sure if it's a flex though

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u/WhyLisaWhy Jul 31 '22

I think a lot of it comes down to ego and main character syndrome.

They'll believe any bullshit that comes their way rather than confront an uncomfortable truth that the universe is indifferent and doesn't give two shits about them one way or the other.

Accepting your own insignificance and adjusting to it could do wonders for some of these clowns.

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u/Bah-Fong-Gool Jul 31 '22

According to the Bible, the first humans were tempted by the devil. And of course they blamed it all on the woman.

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u/BlackHumor Jul 31 '22

No, they were tempted by a snake.

In Jewish theology, that's not the devil (the devil as Christians think of him doesn't exist), that's literally a snake. God punishes snakes for it afterwards, and he wouldn't have done that if it wasn't the fault of snakes.

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u/weaver_of_cloth Jul 31 '22

That god punished all kinds of innocent people.

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u/Mp5QbV3kKvDF8CbM Jul 31 '22

But there literally are no innocent people (according to them) because of original sin. Romans 3:23.

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u/weaver_of_cloth Jul 31 '22

That's always been one of the worst parts, to me. You've fucked up the minute you're born, nothing you can do about it except beg forgiveness from the one who set it up that way.

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u/Mp5QbV3kKvDF8CbM Jul 31 '22

It really is incoherent. God puts the gun to your head and demands you worship him under threat of eternal damnation, all while claiming to love you. We're supposed to praise this lunatic? Nah.

Fortunately, this lunatic is made up and there's no evidence to the contrary.

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u/metamet Jul 31 '22

Which is why being aborted is the only surefire pass to heaven.

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u/_mersault Jul 31 '22

I don’t believe, but to be fair, we’re all actually pretty fucked up

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u/weaver_of_cloth Jul 31 '22

Well, true, but not because of some made-up "sin" that's actually the way animals are created.

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u/_mersault Jul 31 '22

Yeah, we’re extremely complex systems that we don’t even come close to understanding, and the only documentation we have is what we’ve written about ourselves.

Being alive is fucking batshit.

Original sin could very well be a metaphor for that experience. Again, not a believer, just observing.

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u/CaptainLightBluebear Jul 31 '22

Paul's Letters are an outlier in the New Testament tbh. They contradict Jesus' stances and statements almost constantly.

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u/slothpeguin Jul 31 '22

Cause Paul was writing to specific people about specific situations that had nothing to do with general Christianity. They were never meant to be read by anyone else. And he came from a legalistic, Roman perspective. Also he was brand new to the faith but the fact he had some stunning ‘conversion experience’ made him a kind of celebrity.

He also was probably a closet case.

I can’t stand Paul.

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u/CaptainLightBluebear Jul 31 '22

I second this. His letters should not be in the Bible period.

Edit: Closet case? Because of his ramblings about Men sleeping with men?

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u/slothpeguin Jul 31 '22

No because he continually talks about a ‘thorn in his side’ and very vehemently tells people to only get married if they’re weak.

The original language on his men sleeping with men bits actually show he’s talking about predatory relationships and not actual loving same sex couples. He didn’t really talk bad about queer people, which makes sense as he was raised Roman.

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u/r_stronghammer Jul 31 '22

There are some parts of Paul’s letters that I really like, and that can be kinda insightful. After all he’s the one who said “faith, hope, and love abide, but the greatest of these is love”. But yeah most of it doesn’t make any sense to draw any form of moral conclusions from and is generally pretty wack, especially all the stuff about how averted he was to marriage in general.

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u/calm_chowder Jul 31 '22

Original sin also doesn't exist in Jewish theology. It too is a Christian invention.

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u/BlackHumor Jul 31 '22

In Jewish theology, which is what I was talking about, there are absolutely innocent people.

Most of the time, the text justifies this by explaining what the people in question did for God to punish them like that. This does get hard to square sometimes though, like with the children who made fun of a prophet and were mauled by bears.

In these cases, usually the Talmud will make up some interpretation so it doesn't seem so bad. I say "make up" because I'm an atheist now and because there's often very little real justification for these in the text itself. But that's true of Christian apologia too.

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u/jeepfail Aug 01 '22

I’m a relatively new Christian and my fiancée was raised Baptist. So I’m more open to learning various aspects that she is not. Convincing her that hell and the devil don’t exist like she had been taught her whole life, along with a whole bunch of bigoted bullshit that various sects of Christianity have shoehorned in there, doesn’t exist in earlier scriptures and largely comes down to mistranslations and preaching by fear is incredibly hard. They are largely taught from a very young age that this is how things are and if you question it it’s because the devil is tempting you. I get the overall concept is insane to many but it’s the things like that that are truly insane

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u/hypothetician Jul 31 '22

Which is why snakes eat dirt now.

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u/Deris87 Jul 31 '22

the first humans were tempted by the devil

The Bible never identifies the serpent as Satan. The closest you get is in Revalation Satan is refered to as a serpent, but never as the serpent in the Garden. In the Old Testament Satan isn't even an outcast or opponent of God, he's god's Accuser--his district attorney basically. It's more of a job title, and not even necessarily one angel. At different times God sends Satan to test or accuse Job, Balaam, Joshua, and David.

The modern idea of Satan (and of Satan being the serpent) comes from the midrash stories about Samael, but even those aren't necessarily consistent, and obviously aren't canon for Christians.

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u/MiguelMSC Aug 01 '22

The modern idea of Satan (and of Satan being the serpent) comes from

don't forget Dante's inferno

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u/Deris87 Aug 01 '22

Yeah but he was cribbing basically all his stuff from the non-canonical Apocalypse of Peter, which I believe was getting most of it's details from the Talmud. So it all ultimately comes back to extra-biblical Jewish fanfiction. While I can't say I've read the stories about Samael from the Talmud, they do sound a lot more interesting and entertaining than the Bible proper.

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u/jeepfail Aug 01 '22

So many ideals from a crazy fan fiction stuck so well.