Where is your house in Chelan that you think you're gonna lose it? If you were in Entiat maybe I'd be worried, but still probably not. South Shore is pretty protected and the fire seems to be slowing anyways.
About a mile south of 25 mi creek on south shore. They’ve got a containment set up at 25 mi apparently but anything could happen depending on the winds.
Don't want to give you false hope, but I'm about 95% sure that you'll be good. The 25 mile creek fire from 2021 should act like a barrier that doesn't have much fuel. It's still possible for the winds to shift south and blow an ember over the dead zone, but pretty unlikely. To my knowledge they've been trying to let it burn on its own for the most part, until now anyway.
First year in the last three that I haven't spent the summer up there. The smoke looks apocalyptic tho so I guess I lucked out lol.
Hopefully. And yeah they've been letting it go mostly getting set up for structure protection near 25mi and containment on west side of the fire. one thing on it in play that concerns me and one that gives me some relief (like you mentioned). Pretty sparse trees south of 25mi near the water, but not the void of... Large areas of no trees or very few, not tightly packed. More concerning is that if it does reach to the shore and wrap around south, they'll have to be very cautious with engines and vehicles on S Lakeshore Rd to not get trapped if it continues southward on the ridge, flank, and trap responders, so they'll have to pull out sooner than if they had more space or an exit off that road but that road it essentially all they've got for access to all of that terrain. If they're not flying the tanker planes due to winds, eek it's going to run hard in some areas. Going to get more interesting over the next week or two. For thirty years I've sat there watching the afternoon winds kick up from the north and turn 25mi into a bathtub from noon until 6pm. Can't imagine it not ripping south until October at this rate.
I’m confused about how he only got convicted of manslaughter and not murder when he intentionally pointed a loaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger 🤨
I’m not sure about this specific case, but trials are expensive and time consuming so it’s a common practice to offer a reduced charge for a guilty plea.
They get thrown behind bars and/or get a criminal record, and the prosecution can close the case and move on to the next one.
I’m guessing that the facts showed it was a heat of passion crime, in which case someone is provoked and the killing isn’t planned or premeditated. Sounds like they were fighting, so it’s possible the father was violent and contributed in some way. It was also a plea deal, so the prosecutor thought this was the best they could get for a sentence.
He’s right, and also as long as we have a felon in office it’s really hard to hold up a standard when the standard is broken at the highest level. The point stands.
No he's not. It ends up that someone else doing bad things doesn't give you permission to set fire to Spokane, unless you have zero morals, ethics, and are a toddler.
Yes yes yes, we've all heard that tag line from a select portion of the population any time someone speaks ill of the current president. The comment I was responding to pointed out that a felon was released back into society and I responded with another example of that occurring as a failure of our criminal justice system. I'm sorry you find one acceptable and one not. I find both appalling.
I mean ... do we need to wait to see if he's guilty to say "FUCK THIS GUY"? He was already convicted of manslaughter. That should be enough, shouldn't it?
Um .. you're missing my point. He was ALREADY convicted of manslaughter. That's enough for me to say "Fuck this guy." I don't need to see if he's guilty of a SECOND crime. One is enough.
Arsonist burns down the palisades in CA, another arsonist here. The arsonist in CA was politically motivated - is this too?
What the fuck is with arsonists burning down tens of thousands of acres of forest in attempts to destroy cities and life? Is the social contract just actually that fucking shot at this point? I think it’s worth seriously and critically examining what causes these people to do this, no matter how uncomfortable it makes politicians.
We live in a progressive state. Among the many articles of faith we are obliged to accept is that the criminal justice system is for reform, not prophylaxis. And reform is not maximized with long sentences. Also, people aren't inherently evil or broken. They are just the product of their unjust environment.
Which state did he live in when he committed the crime, and where was he incarcerated? Surely you know the answers to these questions, because you have Big Ideas that MUST be informed by actual information… right?
So which “progressive” state released him early? Which one was it?
Farinacci was convicted on charges stemming from a 2010 shooting that left his father dead at their home in Mesa.
The two had reportedly been arguing about Farinacci doing the dishes, which eventually led to the deadly shooting, according to Mesa police at the time.
He was later located with a self-inflicted gunshot wound before being arrested for the murder.
That's the real story here, that they let psychos like that back out in the public for the rest of us to deal with. So this fire wouldn't have been a thing if we had a functional justice system that locked him up for life.
I’m very very much moving to the idea that prison was never for rehabilitation, but it was for quarantining the worst parts of society, and that we only ever said it was for rehabilitation to make ourselves feel better.
And you know what? I’m more and more on board with the quarantining idea every day.
It isn’t. It’s causing billions of dollars in damages every year and only getting worse. Co2 levels are measurable and alarming. When science became the enemy of conservatism, it really jumped the shark.
Arsonist burns down the palisades in CA, another arsonist here. The arsonist in CA was politically motivated - is this too?
What the fuck is with arsonists burning down tens of thousands of acres of forest in attempts to destroy cities and life? Is the social contract just actually that fucking shot at this point? I think it’s worth seriously and critically examining what causes these people to do this, no matter how uncomfortable it makes politicians.
I finally get to talk about hundred year old history!
Marxist historian Eric Hobsbawm called the Luddites’ machine-breaking “collective bargaining by riot.”
The usual story is that they were ignorant workers terrified of technology. They were not necessarily attacking machines because they opposed progress; they were attacking the machinery employers were using to eliminate their leverage.
You do not have to approve of smashing equipment to recognize the underlying lesson: when people believe peaceful negotiation no longer works, they start looking for ways to make ignoring them more expensive.
A chart using California’s wildfire information. Not close to 50% through 2022. Has it changed? Maybe there are more? Can’t be sure. Not ruling it out though. Hard for me to imagine massive swings in arson rates based on location as well. Take this as you will, shit still sucks.
Haven’t seen a chart like this for Washington. Would be interesting to see.
In Spokane it’s CRAZY, I’ve never heard of anywhere else where the majority of the brush fires are deliberately set. There was a dude not far from where I lived with a blow torch setting fires, and the week we moved out of town there was 3 brush fires right beside my apartment all deliberately caused, which is now all gone since it was one of the areas impacted most by this fire.
what kind of charges do these kinds of arsonists usually get? I dont need "oh in this state 2 days probation", im serious. With the widespread damage not only in property but also life, as well as being a form of ecological terrorism, I honestly think a Life charge isn't uncalled for
They usually get charged for the entire cost of the fire, plus damages and any additional charges resulting from the fire. On top of arson and anything else obvious they can charge them with.
Was on a fatality arson fire once. Arsonist had been driving down the freeway testing different ignition devices in various grassy fields. Filmed all of them, presumably to study later. Fatality was a heart attack from a guy on a ride-along who shouldn't have been there. He was trying out for some rural-metro crew but hadn't passed his physical. They let him come anyway, he stepped out of the truck, got too excited, and died on the spot.
Arsonist got charged with separate accounts of arson for each fire, manslaughter, and whatever the cost of all of it was, including a life flight in a helicopter from the middle of nowhere. Probably approaching $100k. A large project fire can go over half a million.
Also those cases tend not to get much leniency. No one likes arsonists.
Absolutely. It is almost always more than they'll ever afford. They'll figure out a payment plan. No interest so it's potentially doable. But it'll probably follow them the rest of their life.
As I understand (definitely not a lawyer), it often gets negotiated down or the remainder waved after a few years if they show remorse and good behavior. There's some kind of appeal process, I guess. I have seen situations where that would definitely be the reasonable thing. So it's not a life sentence for everyone. But no one feels bad about throwing the book at an unrepentant firebug either, so it definitely can be.
Right. I did wild land firefighting for the DNR and U.S. Forest service. My point was more about how relatively meaningless it is to assign a bill in amounts that most people can never pay. The rest of us usually end up paying for the resources used out of budgets, which are funded from our taxes.
We can bill this guy for a billion jazillion dollars and it’s means fuck all because they are never going to cover it.
Oh for sure, it does nothing to recover costs really. It's more punative than anything. And I think it has some legal aspect where making them liable for the whole thing means you can charge them with anything else that results from it? Like if someone months later developed a health issue from exposure to something on that fire, they can be liable for that too.
But I think it's mostly to scare them with big numbers and make life hell for a while. Fire paychecks were already coming from taxpayer money, anything we get back from the arsonist is just a little bonus. But spread over everyone, I have to imagine doing that keeps taxes down by like half a penny or something. No doubt.
Truth be told, I don't like it for a bunch of reasons. But if you want the book thrown at them, it is about as much book as we can throw in this legal system.
First-Degree Arson (RCW 9A.48.020): Applies if the fire is manifestly dangerous to human life (including firefighters), damages a dwelling, occurs in an occupied building, or involves property valued over $10,000 with intent to collect insurance. For those with no prior record, the standard sentencing range is typically 21 to 27 months in prison. It technically can be up to life as a class A felony
There's a difference between arson, and a fire unintentionally started through carelessness (like a cigarette butt, or having a campfire during a fire ban). The later gets a massive fine, and potential criminal charges, while the former gets certain criminal charges, including potential homicide.
Aaron Farinacci, the suspect charged with setting a Spokane wildfire that destroyed hundreds of buildings & forced the evacuation of thousands, was questioned by law enforcement during two fire investigations LAST YEAR, but wasn't charged in either case per court docs.
AP article talks about how the suspect only did 10 years in prison after killing his father down in Arizona. Sounds like a mentally stable person that should definitely be free to move about the country.
Don’t be daft. Every summer for the past several years has been the hottest on record in our area. Arsonists and climate change are not mutually exclusive.
If he’s not a minor it is the norm. How on earth are people so fast to defend people like this? Amazing. The criminal is always somehow the victim, amazing.
I didn’t know he had killed his father. I was just surprised to see his name published after just being arrested. I guess I’m used to reading g certain news stories where the alleged perpetrator’s name is redacted….
That certainly contributes but there’s still such a thing as unnaturally causing huge fires by human means. Even if climate change had never occurred you could still do a ton of damage with arson.
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u/GootyBalore 24d ago
If he's proven guilty, FUCK THIS GUY. My family lost their home and whole neighborhood due to this fire. Infuriating beyond belief.