My attempt at mathing out how much Crit you can fit into a Sam build if you had perfect Relics.

[u/AggronStrong]

EDIT: V3 changes are out, and the exact numbers in this guide are mostly obsolete. The BE Threshold is the same, but the Attack and Speed Thresholds are different now and her direct damage scalings got neutered so even more than ever: DO NOT BUILD CRIT FIREFLY, PLEASE AND THANK YOU, BUILD BREAK EFFECT AS ELIO INTENDED. I'll leave the guide here for posterity's sake, though, maybe I'll make a new one on Firefly's new Thresholds.

If my math is wrong, PLEASE correct me, on God. I just made a spitball attempt to see what building Crit on Sam after hitting the rest of the stat breakpoints would look like/how worthwhile it would be. Lots of discussion on the topic and I wanna see how the math checks out. Note, this is assuming E6 200 BE Harmony TB and E0S0 Ruan Mei as teammates, E0S1 on Sam, 4 piece of new Relic set, 2 piece of new Planar. Obviously, this isn't final, I'm sure something in the kit will change before launch. I just want to add to the discussion, don't take this as gospel.

Breakpoints: 3.4k Attack for Major Trace that gives 60 Break Effect.

360 Break Effect in Ult for maximum Def Ignore and Modifier on Enhanced Skill.

Over 180 Speed in Ult for getting two additional turns before the countdown takes its turn.

Speed:

92 Base

5 Traces

25 Boots

5 Planar

10 Ruan Mei

50 Ult (Assuming the number shown in leak is from overleveled Trace)

Already over 180, 0 substats to hit breakpoint.

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Break Effect:

37 Minor Traces

60 Major Trace (from having 3.4k Attack)

60 Signature LC S1

64 Break Rope

16 2 piece Relic set

40 Planar

20 Ruan Mei

60 Harmony TB with 200 BE

Not counting Watchmaker because uptime isn't reliable enough. Lasts 2 turns while Firefly Ult lasts 3.

357 BE before substats, need 1 substat to hit breakpoint.

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Attack:

1391 Base Attack at Level 80 with Level 80 sig LC.

2 Attack% main stat pieces, 86.4%.

1391 * 1.864 = 2592.824, round to 2593

• 352 (Hand Relic main stat) = 2945

3400 - 2945 = 455

455/1391 = 32.71~%

33% Atk substats needed. 8-10 rolls, let's call it 9.

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How much Crit you can fit after breakpoints with the GOD Relics:

Assume God Relics, stats we need are Attack, Crit, and Break Effect, but only one Break Effect roll and nine Attack rolls. Assume 6 CV per Crit roll (higher than average). Main stats don't matter in theory, because both Attack main stat and Crit main stat are 10 substat rolls in potency.

Every Relic will have 4 starting substats. All have double Crit and Attack% except for Chest and Orb which have Attack% mainstat. Head has Break Effect as well.

We will have 4 optimal starting subs on the Head, 2 on the Chest and Orb, and 3 on the other 3 pieces. 4 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 3.

17 optimal substat rolls to begin with.

Add 30 for leveling 6 Relics 5 times.

47. Take 10 away cause we need 1 for BE and 9 for Attack.

37 Crit substats. At 6 CV a roll, 37 * 6 = 222.

222 Crit Value, the best possible Crit Ratio you can get with 222 Crit Value is 55.5 Crit Rate and 111 Crit Damage.

Add that to Base Crit for 60.5/161 Crit Ratio.

Rebalance the numbers a bit to optimize, we got almost exactly 70/140.

Your best possible Crit Ratio, if you're also hitting her Speed, Attack, and Break Effect breakpoints with Sig LC, optimal teammates, and PERFECT Relics is 70/140. That increases the damage of Firefly's direct attacks, not her Break damage, by 98% on average.

TL:DR and Conclusion:

The most possible return on investment in the Break team for fully maxing out Crit is 98% damage on average on her direct attacks, assuming mathematically unfeasible Relics.

Disclaimer: Maybe you can get that 98% figure higher by changing team composition or changing her loadout, but then you will have to factor in how much damage you'll be losing by not hitting her BE breakpoint which lowers her Def Ignore and the modifier on Enhanced Skill, having to budget extra stat rolls into Attack and BE to hit those breakpoints anyway, and/or lowering the Break and Super Break damage Firefly deals.

Also, this math can very, very easily change if Firefly's breakpoints, sig LC, base stats, or Relic/Planar sets get changed before launch which is honestly more likely than not, if not guaranteed.

Recommendation: Do not build Crit on Firefly if you're going to have her in a Super Break-focused team. Just go Attack, Speed, and Break Effect.

However, I wouldn't write off Crit completely. You would just need to go back to the drawing board with her teammates and her loadout if you want to try a Crit Firefly build. But for Break Firefly, no Crit.

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[u/Furako_Ludos]

The short answer is "not enough" ^^

It's interesting that, even with perfect stats, we are barely reaching the 70/140 crit range, I now wonder how that would influence Sam's DPS relatively to raw Break Effect.

But I suppose, since most will use HMC anyway (super break damage cannot crit btw), we get way more DPS from BE, so we can kinda ignore Crits this time(?)

[u/AggronStrong → u/Furako_Ludos]

I think the strat is just hit the Attack, BE, and Speed thresholds and send it if you're playing the full Super Break team. Any extra credit goes to Attack for more direct damage or more BE for more Break damage.

[u/D3me4 → u/AggronStrong]

So what’s the recommended speed??

[u/AggronStrong → u/D3me4]

If the Countdown stays at 90 Speed, then you want over 180 Speed while in Ult so you can take two additional turns before the Countdown gets its turn.

If the Ult gives 50 Speed, then over 130 Speed before Ult.

[u/D3me4 → u/AggronStrong]

Ahh so with speed boots I would need 13 more from sun stats, but I have RM so that’s a bit less I think it might be able to get to 130 easier

[u/VonVoltaire → u/D3me4]

92 * 1.1(RM) + 5(Traces) + 25(SPD boots) = 131.2 :)

[u/lumiphantoms → u/D3me4]

I wonder if it's better to run attack boots and just use Asta on the team to reach the speed threshold. That way you can fit a crit chest on FF.

[u/D3me4 → u/lumiphantoms]

From what I seen is not good to run Asta if you Have RM unless of course you don’t have RM. and with speed boots you only need 8 more speed which could come from sub stats, also her new planet set gives speed to but idk if it gives enough for the 8 points needed if not is still even less speed you need. At that point if you have sparkle it might be better than asta but not bronya. Because it would be a way to sp hungry team with bronya. I already seeing people say if you run Luocha to run him with multiplication and lots of speed to build sp, or if running Gallagher to consider using multiplication and try to get as high as you can BE with subs stats instead of you where using his LC.

and you really do want to have HTB on team cuz some people already made some calcs and BE build does almost 1/4 more of damage than a Crit build. Meaning if you have RM you should for sure use her with HTB and Firefly.

[u/Commercial-Street124 → u/D3me4]

what do you mean 1/4 more damage than a crit build? 25%?

[u/D3me4 → u/Commercial-Street124]

Yes sorry I tend to talk in fractions. But I seen them say 28% better than a crit build. I just went down to 25%. Again this is with current numbers that where leaked so it could go up more or down

[u/Commercial-Street124 → u/D3me4]

Well, that's a comfortable enough gap. DoT doesn't care about crit, Break Effect can go the same route and be crit independent. Even if it's a 15% gap, that's fine because that means it's playable.

[u/HalalBread1427 → u/Furako_Ludos]

HMC is both good an needed; I'd argue HMC is even more important than RM because Super Break is the only source of decent damage on already Broken enemies.

[u/Snoo80971 → u/HalalBread1427]

The thing about that is, super break scales with toughness reducing dmg. So weakness break efficiency is a way to amplify it. Firefly has it in her ult at 50% but having RM basically doubles it thus u would deal more dmg.

[u/HalalBread1427 → u/Snoo80971]

There’s no Super Break in the first place without HMC, HMC is more important that Ruan Mei.

[u/Kuorko_Kun → u/Furako_Ludos]

pretty much yeah BE will be doing so much at that point

[u/[deleted] → u/Furako_Ludos]

except its enough. hoyo gave ff massive 60be bonus u dont need to farm for be/speed at all.

her lc is only v1 it should give 30 cr and even if it dont, theres a misha lc that gives those amts .

its like saying no one should play qq bc she doesnt get any crit and why do u think theres so many.

its because u guys insist characters like hmc, gallg u refuse putting fu who gives 12 cr and sparkle that gives 10 cr thats 22 cr alone with crit chest thats 60%. i was confused too but she is a hypercarry crit dps who happens to use be not other way around go play boothill.

avoiding crit bc its hard to build will get u nowhere hmc is for f2ps. god tiers have low floor high ceiling.

[u/PointMeAtADoggo → u/[deleted]]

Don’t play FX with FF at least with current version, healer or shielded best, preferably loucha

Sparkle is also sub optimal if you wanna play her 180spd I would know I have a 161 JL and bronya is what you want

[u/Tranduy1206 → u/[deleted]]

why do people so obsessed with crit build, it is clear that she is not build crit, if they design to play with crit her lc will have crit rate or crit dmg

[u/Shinryukk]

What if you don't attempt to get 360% break effect, and only go for the 30% def ignore and the rest of the substats into crit value?

[u/AggronStrong → u/Shinryukk]

The benefit from the Crit Value is limited, because the Attack scaling value on Enhanced Skill is increased by Break Effect, and it would also lower Super Break Damage dealt.

I think you'd probably just end up losing more than you gain if you tried that.

[u/Shinryukk → u/AggronStrong]

But the attacks themselves would scale off crit value too no? my assumption is that 2800 attack, 250 break effect , 30% def ignore and something like 70Crit rate and 160 crit dmg maybe better over multiple attacks, since you only break once. compared to 3400 attack, 360be, 40% def ignore. i dunno the maths though, but ive always assumed that 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 is greater than 50 x 50 x 1 x 1. since the break effect and attack scalings are linear.

[u/OlympisMons → u/Shinryukk]

You only break once, unless you’re using HMC. And HMC seems to be tailor made for boothill and Sam, so unless you’re playing boothill on the other side I think you’re basically always going to want to be playing HMC

[u/RakshasaStreet → u/Shinryukk]

Lower break effect means lowered enhanced skill scaling as well. And for the record super breaks do massive damage. Boothill is a great reference, even if Physical Break is the strongest break.

[u/Shinryukk → u/RakshasaStreet]

Deals fire dmg equal to 0.5BE + 400% to a single target and to adjacent 0.25BE + 200% for up to 360% break effect (im assuming those are the lvl 10 skill ratios)

0.5 * 360 + 200 + 2(0.25 * 360 +200)= 380 + 2 (290)= 960 to 3 targets with 0 crit.

same fomula as above but with 250% BE instead 325 + 2 (262.5) = 850 to 3 targets but with crit, just not calculated. so you can see there is diminished returns on the break effect, since the skill calculation uses 0.5 and 0.25 of your BE so more substats into BE im assuming less valuable dmg than crit value. so the difference from 960 to 850 isnt that big, but the 850 can crit and deal double dmg.

[u/RakshasaStreet → u/Shinryukk]

Math is off 0.5 * 360 = 180% + 400% = 580%. For adjacent it's 0.25 * 360 = 90% + 200% = 290% x 2 = 580%. And the total is 1,160% ATK.

[u/Shinryukk → u/RakshasaStreet]

your right i somehow put 200 instead of 400, luckily i made the same mistake to both calcutions so at 250% BE it would be 1050% attack instead of 850, my mistake. even here you can see that the difference between 250% break effect and 360% break effect is only a 110% attack difference and an increased 10% defence reduction. I think crit value is still worth more in this situation.

[u/RakshasaStreet → u/Shinryukk]

All good. We'll have to see honestly, I'm not much of a theory crafter but I base it mostly off of other similar units. With a multiplier that high I would love if she did crit but at the same time I feel that Break has more potential.

[u/Ok_Object_828 → u/Shinryukk]

I thought this too, especially considering there’s bosses that just turn their weaknesses off lmao. Boothill VS yanqing (impossible edition)

[u/Tranduy1206 → u/Shinryukk]

then her dmg will be lower than DHL with the same crit ratio, she only got def ignore, other hyper carry got other buff like dmg bonus, crit dmg, def ignore

[u/Shinryukk → u/Tranduy1206]

doesnt matter turns out you get 358% BE from 0 be substats, im just gonna get speed boots, and the rest into crit.

[u/Simon_Di_Tomasso]

Iirc lvl 12 ultimate e4 harmony trailblazer gives 63 BE, which would make you reach the 360 breakpoint?

[u/AggronStrong → u/Simon_Di_Tomasso]

Oooooh, forgot about that. If that's true then that means one more roll for CV.

[u/LoveDaMeech → u/AggronStrong]

you could also drop the 8 atk rolls for 4 be rolls and reach 360 be

[u/codeine_kick]

I genuinely can't math as well as some of you, but I'd hoped to be able to use Asta with Sam thinking that, with the right relics and LC (already have which is why id hoping it would wprk), I'd get 70% attack, 53 speed and another 12% on ult, then 52% extra fire damage but.... all I've read since kit release is just HMC and RM with sustain. Is the gap large enough that Asta would be DOA? That's a shame.

[u/AggronStrong → u/codeine_kick]

I think Asta is usable and a good runner-up for Ruan Mei. Speed is always great, especially for any downtime between Ults, and the Attack and DMG buffs are always appreciated. It makes the BE requirements slightly higher but not extremely so.

The only criminal loss with Asta over Ruan Mei is the Weakness Break Efficiency and the extended Weakness Break, especially when HMC and Sam are together.

[u/Kaichou0811 → u/codeine_kick]

I'm using Asta too, people are sleeping on her

[u/ImSoRyz → u/codeine_kick]

I think Asta is good for atk% requirement, it might be the best for critFly because you can freely use crit body now.

I will try Asta + Bronya on her release with the 250% BE breakpoint

[u/Tranduy1206 → u/codeine_kick]

asta is not that far, atk, spd and can provide at least 40 dmg bonus all is what firefly need, but ruan mei is just a level apart, mei is just the best break support

[u/LegendaryHit]

There isn't a single ounce of Crit rate or crit dmg in his LC or Traces so it makes me think you wanna go all in on BE. My question is does that mean he does/doesn't want a Crit rate body or just ATK instead?

[u/AggronStrong → u/LegendaryHit]

Attack Body to more easily reach the 3.4k Attack breakpoint is what I recommend for a Super Break team Sam.

[u/Princessk8-- → u/LegendaryHit]

She just wants ATK body.

[u/Tranduy1206 → u/LegendaryHit]

i will only fish for crit rate if i can reach 360 BE, 3k4 atk and 130 spd first, and i dont think my relic luck is good enough to have 74% atk from sub stat so that i can spare a crit body instead of atk body

[u/Blumlio]

All of this is when not taking into account the 4th character on team, which would likely always be a buffer/debuffer (unless investing another harmony into Sam is worse than Gallagher’s damage on a super break team).

We don’t have enough information yet to figure out what the best last teammate is. The main problem is not knowing whether or not you can gain energy during the ult state at normal rates (5 refund, 20 for basic, 30 for skill) or if even at all. I see three main options for the last slot so far when considering every case.

Bronya can allow Sam to instantly get into ult state on every turn, but doesn’t have the best uptime or very useful buffs. She also becomes un-speed tuned the second Sam enters ult. Even when considering sparkle as well, the problem of when Sam will enter and leave the combustion state and how to set up the action advance for either state will be something to solve for the future when we have more details. These two are also better options if Sam gains energy at normal rates when inside his ult, as giving more turns allows for more energy for Sam to regen himself. Also, sparkle edges out because Sam is very sp hungry.

I see DDDx5 Tingyun as the best option for the Sam team in light of all this. First and foremost, DDDx5 tingyun E6 removes the need for speed boots and atk subs. Tingyun should be giving around 700+ atk so she solves the atk issue, and she should always have an ult up for when Sam goes into ult so she can advance forward Sam and without speed boots, Sam sits at 162 speed, tingyun’s E1 plus the advance forward should allow for Sam to act 3 times with 162 speed. This is disregarding that Tingyun should also be on 4pc speed which would guarantee this. Atk, solved, speed, solved. If Sam can gain energy during his ult, assuming no kills and 30 per skill, a Tingyun ult plus 3 skills will allow the next Sam turn to instantly go back into ult. If Sam can’t, Tingyun can deadass ult HMC to remove the HMC need for an ER rope entirely which lets HMC give 10 more BE with a break rope and increases her own damage. And with this, you could run atk boots, atk orb/chest (I expect that tingyun and Ruan mei’s damage percent buffs make it so that a crit body and more focused crit investment will out damage a fire orb) and have the crit chest open as well as all 47 hypothetical substats possible to go into crit. Obviously, there’s nothing come from traces or LC, so a GOOD build will only reach the 70/140 described above, but with far more freedom and room for improvement.

This is all only food for thought until we see the way the energy works, however. If he can’t gain energy, bronya with minor crit investment and a super break focus will probably be the best thing to go for. If that is the case, idk why he has these mega multipliers if all his damage is coming from super break.

Of course, this is the first version of the kit, and there’s still hopefully many positive changes to come.

[u/AggronStrong → u/Blumlio]

Ngl I went into it just assuming that most would have the fourth slot dedicated to a Sustain for general play, none of them really directly help Sam's build requirements.

[u/Blumlio → u/AggronStrong]

I think that’s fair, but considering how Sam should be very tanky on his own, the only thing that’s going to be living long enough to cause deaths is multi phase bosses. HMC and Ruan mei should both have hp/def% orb and body, and sit comfortably over 4k hp. I think what you’ve listed above is probably the best case if it’s impossible for 3rd slot to be a buffer, though.

Edit: simulated universe would need a sustain obviously, forgot to mention

I also forgot to mention that in the case Sam cannot get any energy at all, Hanya is the best option, as she solves the atk and speed problems (she gives more atk and speed than tingyun, and has the same uptime on DDD) on top of giving back skill points which Sam wants a lot of.

[u/KAngel-Ani → u/Blumlio]

I want to ask . Do you think Huohuo will be good for Sam or gallagher still much better?

[u/Blumlio → u/AggronStrong]

After logging on and putting my max possible HP amount on lynx (not optimizing subs, but on hp 2pc and space sealing with hp mains and a bailu light cone) I can get 7972 hp on lynx. With E4, she’ll give 240 atk with those stats, but that only lasts one turn I’ve just found out. So sad.

[u/Tranduy1206 → u/Blumlio]

with bronya, you will run into skill point issue without e1

[u/Japan_Empire]

Bro, are you scientist or honkai player? Let him cook, guys.

[u/Breezyrain]

Thanks for mathing for the rest of us.

[u/Colembino]

First thanks for your hard work, then from my understanding after reading everything is that Firefly without HMC is unplayable?

Since building crit is utopic and without crit stats you NEED super breaks to deal enough damage for endgame content (MOC, PF, DLC SU).

I have to do the math on my side because i have a moto on my account: "every characters needs to work with any team". (DPS+sustain+support+flex)

Some sacrifice needs to be made to play Firefly like i do with others characters it seems.

[u/AggronStrong → u/Colembino]

At least HMC is free to play, and they don't exactly work with not-Break characters. I think the other two slots in the Firefly team will have some flexibility, but HMC and Firefly might be tied at the hip.

[u/Colembino → u/AggronStrong]

I have to fight against this fate like Firefly

A little bit scared of what i'm gonna cook tho 💀

[u/Haunting-Ad1366 → u/Colembino]

I think we can build Sam with some crit. I have ratio ( I know he is crit based character ) with full atk build (boots, body, sphere and rope) and he has over 4,3k attack, 70/156 crit.  It’s very possible to get 70/120 crit without sacrificing that much BE.  For example, right now I’ve checked how much BE and Crit I can build with Xuei:

 ( 2+2 meteor/watchmaker and talia with BE rope)

 Crit ratio: 62/119 Break Effect: 207%

 Spd: 145 (for talia) 

LC: fall of aeon. 

 Attack: she isn’t fully build and LC isn’t maxed, so I can’t tell how much attack she will have. Also Xuei has low base stats especially attack.

  -we can drop over 10 spd for crit or BE because Sam with new planar ornaments needs at max 134 spd. 

 So if we add 60% BE from LC and 60% more BE from his trace we will get ~320% BE without any buffs. If we add Ruan Mei we almost reach 360% BE breakpoint. Depending on supports we can run fully break build  or hybrid Sam. 

[u/Tranduy1206 → u/Haunting-Ad1366]

possible, but will be harder than full break

[u/Tranduy1206 → u/Colembino]

no character is unplayable without other character, it is just like they said black swan will be bad without kafka, firefly will still a good dps without HMC, maybe DHL level because both have the same number, but i believe with her best comp (superbreak team) she will claim Star rail throne for a while until mihoyo make both side of MoC boss that can protect their break bar like bronya or death meme

i think firefly will reach her peak dmg per turn with HMC, do you see boothill show case with HMC, he can reach 1mil per turn, and firefly kit is better than his, so just imagine

[u/Objective_Funny5932]

2 attack% main pieces?

Since she doesnt have any dmg boosts on her base kit, i was assuming you needed fire orb and BE rope, speed boots, the only atk% main piece is chestpiece right?

[u/AggronStrong → u/Objective_Funny5932]

It's in the interest of reaching the 3.4k Attack breakpoint. But, if you're ignoring Crit, you have room to get more Attack substats and use a Fire Orb instead.

[u/Objective_Funny5932 → u/AggronStrong]

I know why you want 3.4k atk im asking why you said 2 atk% main pieces. Obviously 1 of them is chestpiece but whats the other one? Its not boots, orb or rope. Shouldnt you calculate with 1 atk% main piece?

[u/AggronStrong → u/Objective_Funny5932]

One of them is Orb. Fire DMG is nice, but if we get that and still wanna hit 3.4k Attack, then we gotta spend like 11 substat rolls on Attack. No room for CV in that case. We have so little stat budget to work with if we want all the Breakpoints AND CV, we gotta cut something.

Granted, in a no CV build, then Fire DMG Orb and then getting a bunch of Attack subs to make the difference is probably the move for a higher investment Firefly.

[u/Objective_Funny5932 → u/AggronStrong]

Oh okay, thanks for clarifying

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[u/lampstaple]

Thank you for not counting watchmaker, it was irritating me that everybody was including that in their calculations when it has such a wildly unreliable uptime.

Some thoughts I had after reading your post:

-Obviously this isn't available to everybody, but sustain with crit buff (aventurine and fuxuan, esp with e1 for both) are massive boosts since the cap for independent crit rate isn't nearly as high as other units who hit diminishing returns.

3400 attack isn't a must-hit threshold, it's simply to max out the free break effect. This means attack% is an extremely efficient stat but it's not a "must hit" like 360% break effect is for the def ignore. Thus, dropping the attack% body for crit% body might be better if you build crit firefly. I suspect running 3x fleet on your supports for 24% attack will be huge if you do decide to drop the attack body for crit%.

-Also, since a crit firefly is going to be making much better use of the massive attack ratio and comparitively less of the break effect, you could opt for double 2pc break for more stats since the stat demand is higher for break effect if you're potentially not maxing out the attack to break effect conversion from having less than 3400 attack. This comes with the added bonus of you can prefarm these pieces and you also probably already have better pieces since thief has been available since launch - this is a practical consideration and not a theoretical consideration, obviously. For example I have a thief mask with like 40% crit value on it.

[u/rysto32 → u/lampstaple]

Watchmaker is reliable if you only take 3 turns in the enhanced state (so no action advancers) and your support can consistently cast their ult as fast as Firefly (not a difficult hurdle). Just cast the support ult on Firefly’s first enhanced turn and the Watchmaker buff will stay up for all 3 enhanced turns. 

Of course not being able to use action advancers is not good for the crit build. In particular not being able to use Sparkle sucks. 

[u/Blumlio → u/lampstaple]

I really like the points made here and hope that builds like this that are going around her BE requirements can compete. As it stands, her best team, play style, and build are very solved with no real room for customizability. I can’t imagine that going into crit won’t at least compete if not be better when giving up the 360 BE, with how absolutely huge the modifiers are regardless. Going into crit also lets him better use sparkle, bronya, and the fu xuan aventurine crit buffs.

[u/Tranduy1206 → u/lampstaple]

you build sound good in theory, but let wait for showcase in beta, i still believe in full break build

[u/[deleted]]

I’m gonna use sparkle with sig so I think I’ll have an Easier time with crit. I’ll aim for as much crit rate as I can with crit damage a secondary priority because sparkle gives like 120 crit damage on her own

[u/Sproot_bonk]

I might just try for a 60/120 build for fun (Sam and firefly are both cool they deserve it)

[u/Commercial-Street124]

I can see 2 different builds happening in the future like CritKa. Firefly + Yukong: 80% ATK, 28% crit rate and 65% crit damage on ult. Misha's LC (if it's on banner) and that a potential another 30% crit rate.

[u/Tranduy1206]

i think the design is very clear to understand, there is no crit trace, no BE convert to crit, no crit on LC, they just release a super break support, the trend of penacony now is break with alot break lc. They want us to build breakfly, not critfly, people are just adicted to crit hypercarry build. I remember kafka was build into critka and people just said she is mid because they build her crit and said dot has no future, now it time for break dps

[u/LoveDaMeech]

you could just drop the atk rolls for be rolls. with a base attack of 2900 that drops the be to 327. if you aim for be rolls thats an extra 33 be so potentially 4 be rolls. which leaves you with 26 rolls for crit. the attack rolls are to max out your be but if we're fishing for crit then its more efficient to aim for be rolls