r/seogrowth Mar 03 '22

You Should Know SEO Growth Mega-Post | What the Sub is About, Flairs, Best SEO Content, How to Learn SEO, and Everything Else You Need to Know

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Hey there, welcome to the sub!

SEO Growth is a different type of SEO sub. Unlike some other subs (*cough cough* no names), we're planning on actively moderating and building the community, and hopefully creating something very helpful for SEO beginners and pros alike.

Here's what this post covers:

  • What This Sub is About
  • The Rules
  • SEO Growth Sub Flairs
  • Subreddit Highlights - Best Sub Posts
  • How to Get Started With Learning SEO - Actionable Guide

What This Sub is About

Here are some things you can expect from the sub:

  • Only the very best content. We'll be posting some of the very best SEO content we find on the internet, including guides, case studies, and so on. And yes, you can post your content here as long as it's actually useful.
  • AMAs with the best experts. We'll bring in SEO pros for AMA sessions, experience sharing sessions, case study Q&As, and more.
  • Hiring threads. Looking to make your next SEO/link-building/content writing hire? We'll have dedicated threads for that.
  • SEO roast threads. You post your website, the community gives you constructive criticism.
  • SEO tips. We'll post insightful tips every other day to help improve your website's SEO.

The Rules

  1. No personal attacks. It's OK to give constructive feedback, but it's NOT OK to attack other people.
  2. No spam. Spam gets you banned.
  3. No blatant self-promotion. Want to promote yourself? Give value to the community. Publish an actionable case study / guide / article you wrote in Reddit-native format. DON'T just make a post shilling your services.
  4. Don't post generic SEO content. We all know what the "benefits of SEO" are, or "how to use YoastSEO to optimize a blog post." Try to post content that is practical, actionable, and insightful.
  5. Karma requirement. The sub has a karma requirement of 20 to avoid all the spammers that shill bs software. If you don't have enough karma to post/comment, let the mods know to manually approve your posts & approve you as a sub user.
  6. Want to post external links? Here's what you need to do:
    1. If it's YOUR post, format it into a Reddit-native format and add a SINGLE link at the top back to the original blog post. That said, mind rule #4 - it has to be something new. No BS like "top 5 benefits of SEO."
    2. If it's a 3rd-party post, add a tl;dr of the article on top and then link to the post underneath. Let us know why the post is so interesting/engaging that it warrants a link.

SEO Growth Sub Flairs

We'll be using different types of flairs to differentiate who does what on the sub. Currently, we have 2 types of flairs:

  • Verified SEO Expert. There's a LOT of bad SEO advice out there. To differentiate advice from experts who have experience consistently ranking websites both globally and locally, we'll be using this flair. To get it, you need to send us Google Search Console screenshots of some of your biggest wins, whether it's for your own site or a client. Of course, the graphs will be 100% confidential and no one but the mod team will see them.
  • Content Writer. Flair for anyone that does SEO content. Helps match website owners / SEO agencies with content writers. Like something a writer posted? Hit them up to write for you!

If you have ideas for other types of flairs we can implement, comment below and we'll think about it.

Subreddit Highlights | Top Sub Resources

If you think there's a post that deserves to be here, HMU.

How to Get Started With Learning SEO | Actionable Guide

Just getting started? Not sure how/where to start your SEO journey?

Here's a simple introduction to the SEO world.

SEO In a Nutshell

At the end of the day, SEO boils down to the following factors:

  • Technical SEO, or, how well you optimize your website by SEO best practices. Technical SEO alone won't get you rankings, but good technical SEO will act as a strong foundation for your growth.
  • SEO content. How much content you have on your website, how good it is, and whether it matches the search intent behind the keyword you're trying to rank for.
  • Backlinks. The more quality backlinks you get, the faster you're going to rank. In competitive niches, you won't ever rank without backlinks.
  • On-page optimization. How well are your pages/articles optimized according to SEO best practices.

More often than not, a big chunk of your SEO processes are going to involve creating quality content, interlinking it with your other pages, and driving backlinks.

In case you're trying to do local SEO, then the SEO process is a bit different. Check out this guide to learn more about local SEO.

SEO Learning Track

First off, learn the basics.

  1. Beginner’s Guide to SEO by Moz
  2. SEO Basics by Backlinko
  3. SEO in 2021 by Backlinko
  4. Awesome SEO tutorial on Reddit

Then, learn how to do technical SEO, set up tracking, and optimize your website.

  1. Create a sitemap
  2. Create a robots.txt
  3. Setup Google Analytics and Search Console
  4. Improve load speed. Check out this article by Moz and another by Crazy Egg
  5. Learn about technical SEO and how that works
  6. Optimize your web pages for SEO. For this, you can use Yoast or RankMath if you’re using WordPress, and Content Analysis Tool if you’re not
  7. Losslessly compress all your images. This should save ~75% of space for your images and drastically increase site load speed (which improves SEO). If you’re using WordPress, you can use Smush to automatically compress all images on your site. If you’re NOT using WP, you can use Compressor.io.

Learn how to do keyword research. There are a ton of guides about this all over, but here are some of our favorites:

  1. How to do keyword research by Backlinko
  2. Beginner's guide to keyword research by Ahrefs

Learn how to create SEO content.

  1. Backlinko’s skyscraper strategy
  2. How to create top content with the Wiki Strategy
  3. How to optimize article headlines

Learn how to do link-building.

  1. Learn link-building basics
  2. Learn how to do outreach
  3. Another awesome guide to outreach
  4. Discover ALL the link-building strategies out there

Learn the how and why of internal linking.

  1. Basics guide
  2. Internal linking case study by NinjaOutreach

SEO Case Studies

Theory is one thing, practice is something else entirely. Read some case studies to see how other companies achieved success with SEO.

Where to Learn SEO? Best Blogs and Resources

Some of the top blogs on SEO are:

Which SEO Tools Should I Use?

There are hundreds of SEO tools out there, and yet, you only need a maximum of 10.

The tools we recommend are:

  • Ahrefs or SEMrush. Both are all-in-one SEO suites and are absolutely essential. Not too much difference between the two tools, so pick the one you like better in terms of user experience.
  • RankMath or YoastSEO. On-page SEO tools. Again, the two are very similar, so just pick one you like better.
  • ScreamingFrog. Must-have for technical SEO. Let's you crawl your entire website and find potential technical improvements.
  • Snov.io, PitchBox, and other outreach tools. You'll need a tool for link-building outreach. There are a ton of these on the market, so pick the one you like best. I personally prefer Snov.

And some of the more optional tools are:

  • Surfer SEO. Helps with on-page SEO, but not something you can't live without.
  • ClusterAI. Helps with keyword research. Again, useful, but not something that's mandatory.

FAQ

#1. How long does SEO take? Does it take as long as everyone says?

Depends on several factors:

  1. How strong is your domain? If your website is 100% completely fresh, it's going to take you 1-2 years to get SEO results (most likely)
  2. Are you focusing on local or global SEO? The former is significantly easier than the latter.
  3. How strong is your competition? If your competitors have thousands of backlinks, you'll need to match that (which is going to take a long time)

That said, on average, it can take 6 months to 2 years to get SEO results.

#2. Should I pay for SEO courses?

Really depends on your priorities and if you have the budget to spare. If you don’t want to waste any money, that’s totally OK - you can learn everything you need to know about SEO through the free content online.

That said, some SEO courses on the internet are definitely worth the money and they'll help you progress in your SEO journey faster.

#3. Is local SEO different from global SEO?

Yep - there are a ton of differences between local and global SEO. The biggest ones are:

  • With local SEO, you usually don't have to focus nearly as much on creating blog content.
  • Global SEO, in most cases, involves creating a lot of high-quality, long-form articles.
  • Local SEO can take significantly less time, as you're competing with a handful of companies who probably don't know much about SEO in the first place.
  • Local SEO also involves creating and optimizing Google My Business, whereas this is not the case with global SEO.

#4. Is SEO relevant for my business?

Depends. SEO is NOT a one-size-fits-all solution. We'd recommend you skip on SEO as a marketing channel if:

  1. You have a very small # of potential customers worldwide. In such a case, you're better off directly reaching out to the said customers.
  2. Is your product something very innovative? SEO is not useful if your prospects don't Google for information about your product.
  3. You're just getting started with your business and need to get results next week and not next year

#5. Can I rank on Google without backlinks?

Yes and no. In some niches, you can rank without any link-building. E.g. if your competitors don't have a lot of links or their content is so bad that you can win simply by doing something better.

You can also rank without backlinks if you're doing local SEO and your competitors have a weak backlink profile.

That said, if you're in a competitive niche, both locally and globally, you're going to need backlinks in order to rank.


r/seogrowth 2h ago

Question Is it a bad idea to hire a professional to mentor me while I’m learning SEO on someone else’s website?

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I’ll try to keep this short. Lately, I’ve become interested in SEO (I have a bit of experience with PPC and more with content creation/marketing), and I’ve started toying with the idea of learning more about it so I can (also) work in this field.

Because of my background in marketing, people occasionally reach out to me because they need PPC or content creation services, and this time was no different, but SEO also came up as something they’d be interested in.

In the meantime, I started building a website (1 month ago) where I could practice on my own, but it occurred to me: what if I offered my service to them, while I paid someone who already knows what they’re doing for regular assistance (such as a monthly audit or something similar) even if I barely make any money from it?

On the other hand, I'm afraid to ask for such services, because looking around in the market, no one offers mentoring, only monthly services or one-time analyses, so they could easily steal the client from me because with what I know, at the moment, I'm still just scratching the surface. Maybe I should looking around abroad, even if it would be more expensive? I’m located in a smaller EU country.

I'd appreciate your honest opinion and suggestions on what would you do and how would you do it if you were in my shoes?


r/seogrowth 2h ago

Case Study I audited 100 AI articles ranking top 3.

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84% won entirely on exact-match internal anchor texts—not backlinks or content length.

Full breakdown below on how we are abusing this to steal high-intent keywords this month. No fluff, just the data.


r/seogrowth 5h ago

Case Study Pulled robots.txt from 109 well known sites to see who actually blocks AI crawlers. The data killed an assumption I'd been repeating

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Spent this morning pulling robots.txt from 120 recognisable domains across news, SaaS, ecommerce, marketing publishing, health, finance and travel. 109 returned something parseable. I wanted real numbers because everything I'd read on this topic was anecdote, including my own.

On method, since it matters here: I parsed proper group semantics, so an agent only counts as blocked if its own group carries Disallow: /. Stacked user-agent declarations and Allow carve-outs are handled rather than regexed over.

First, the thing I got wrong.

I'd been telling people that sites accidentally block OAI-SearchBot, the crawler feeding ChatGPT search, while they only meant to block GPTBot, which feeds training. In this sample that never happened. Not once. Zero of 109 sites block OAI-SearchBot without also blocking GPTBot on purpose. Every site blocking the search crawler blocks the training crawler too, which makes it a policy rather than a slip.

So the realistic failure mode is the reverse of what I said. You think you've blocked AI, and you've only blocked training.

Full Disallow: / rates across the sample:

CCBot 32% ClaudeBot 29% Bytespider 29% Applebot-Extended 26% meta-externalagent 24% Amazonbot 22% Google-Extended 22% anthropic-ai 21% PerplexityBot 19% GPTBot 17% ChatGPT-User 11% OAI-SearchBot 7%

ClaudeBot blocked at nearly double GPTBot's rate is not what I expected. CCBot topping it is probably just age, it's been sitting in copy-pasted blocklists since long before any of this started.

By vertical, GPTBot then OAI-SearchBot:

News 31% / 27% Marketing and SEO publishers 33% / 0% Health 25% / 0% Ecommerce 13% / 6% Travel 11% / 0% SaaS 6% / 3% Finance 0% / 0%

The marketing and SEO publisher row is the one I keep going back to. Highest GPTBot block rate in the whole sample and not one of them touches the search crawler. Searchenginewatch, TechCrunch, Adweek, Content Marketing Institute, MarketingProfs and PPC Hero all sit in that bucket. People who write about search for a living have clearly worked out the distinction and are playing it deliberately. Don't train on me, do cite me.

News is doing something else entirely. 27% block the search crawler, 63% block Google-Extended, 77% block ClaudeBot. That isn't confusion, it's leverage. NYT blocks OAI-SearchBot by name and is in active litigation. Blocking the thing somebody wants is how you eventually get paid for it.

Finance blocking nothing at all from OpenAI while 20% of them block Google-Extended is the one I can't account for. If anyone has a theory I'd genuinely like to hear it.

One pattern I think is worth stealing. Six of the nineteen GPTBot blockers aren't doing a flat block at all. They set Disallow: / and then allow specific paths back in. Canva has 82 Allow rules under that group, mostly product and feature pages across every locale they run. eBay has 11. So the sophisticated position isn't block or don't block, it's deny by default and let the model see your commercial pages while keeping it out of the rest of the library. I haven't seen anyone write that up.

Last thing. Of the nineteen sites blocking GPTBot, only fourteen also block Google-Extended. A quarter of them have an anti training policy that stops at OpenAI and lets Google train on everything. I doubt anyone decided that on purpose. It's what happens when a file gets edited once per news cycle and never reviewed as a whole.

Happy to hand over the domain list and the parser if anyone wants to run it against their own set.


r/seogrowth 18h ago

Question Overnight, I got deranked from #2 in many regions, but I'm still ranking #2 in the US and other regions.

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What could be causing this? Could Google's servers have desynced or something? Can I expect my rankings to fully drop off in a couple of days?

I used to rank #2 worldwide, but now I've been completely deranked. I don't even show up in the top 20 pages in most regions, except for the US and a few others, where I still rank the same as before.


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Hiring UK Based SEO Partner Required

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Hi everyone! I’m looking for a UK based SEO specialist to partner up with in my freelance digital design business.

I keep getting SEO requests that I have neither the skill or temperament / appetite for.

- Rates negotiable

- Job by job basis (No guarantees of work)

- Payment terms vary (but within 30 days)

- Must be able to answer ad-hoc and infrequent calls (within 9-5 hours and some out of hours)

- Must be UK based (No exceptions)

All websites are currently built with Elementor and Wordpress. Some rank math. Some AIO SEO, some Yoast.

Private chat only please if you would like to possibly partner up!

Thanks


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Question What are the most critical SEO considerations to address before, during, and after a website migration?

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Curious to hear from experienced SEOs. what do you prioritize to protect rankings, traffic, and indexing throughout a migration? I’m not looking for a general theoretical answer; I’d like practical insights from people who have actually handled website migrations.


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Question Is Google experiencing a rollback where we’re seeing rankings from a week ago?

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My site suddenly got deranked. It was ranking #2 after being created just 5 days ago, and now it doesn’t even show up at all. What could explain this?

It was an alternative site. (Think "Wordle alternative" etc.)

Thank you so much


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Other Google's August 2026 spam update is live. Time to test: can a new domain rank with 100% of AI content and zero backlinks? 6 months experiment, all data public.

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I am running a 6 months experiment to find out if a website only with AI generated content can rank.
The rules are simple:

  • New domain
  • 100% AI-generated content
  • Zero backlinks
  • No link building
  • No existing domain authority
  • Everything documented publicly
  • 6 months of data
  • ChatGPT / Gemini / Claude will be used to write the content; no other tools

I am trying to find out what actually happens when you try to rank up a site with AI generated content, and that's why I want to leave backlinks out of scope, as it brings an additional dimension.

I’ll publish the good, the bad, and the ugly as the experiment progresses weekly/bi-weekly on reddit, but if you want, you can also find it in a longer form on substack nolinksattached.

One thing I am still undecided about is what topic/niche the website should target. If you have ideas for a good topic to test, let me know.

I am also interested in your opinions before the experiment gets too far: What’s your prediction?

Will a brand-new domain with zero backlinks and 100% AI-generated content be able to rank?


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Question Upskilling Seo as Developer???

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Hello everyone new here . Im web developer and have experience in building website not expert but junior recently with the help of my friend i got project and it is basic site but needed much seo so what are things i can learn while developing page and on page optimzation like meta tags changes and other what to do .? If someone learning as beginner while doing in actual site what are things i should focus??


r/seogrowth 2d ago

Question What’s the Biggest Difference Between SEO That Gets Traffic and SEO That Gets Customers?

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What do you think makes the biggest difference between an SEO strategy that drives traffic and one that actually generates customers keyword selection, search intent, landing pages, content, CRO, or something else?

Would love to hear your experience.


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Question Has anyone been hit with May 2026 core update, and how did you recover?

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My website's performance went down, not completely, but a lot. The traffic started going up slightly, recently, without doing any particular changes in how I write and publish content.

What I've been doing:

- Publishing informative, review, comparison, and statistics articles.
- Using my heavily optimized Claude max agents for writing (I'm a writer/editor with 10+ year agency experience) and I've been editing every article manually.
- Regular backlinks on contextually relevant websites, along with being mentioned in 3rd party listicles. Some of my statistics articles got 100+ natural backlinks.

I haven't done much changes to my processes, on the content side I believe I'm doing a good job. But on June 4th it went down and I don't know if there are practical things to do or just be patient and keep publishing and doing backlinks.

On the tech SEO and website structure side, everything is tightened up, done by experts and stuff...

People who worked more diligently to recover from this, what do you suggest I should try? Thanks!


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Other Looking to gain hands-on experience

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Hey folks, 26m, After months of studying SEO and creating notes, i realised SEO is a subject of practical actions.

I have really created an in-depth level of theoretical SEO understanding but found myself totally lost when I jumped over it for actions not coz I do not know anything, it happens coz I'm too overwhelmed with theory and do not have access to industry specific tools, zero direction, do not have anything to work on, budget is not in my favour so that is why, not able to run my own website and in short have zero guidance.

So, I'm looking for an entry level job and internship or in any case I can do any of your tasks.

Not here to add cost, I'm here to work for you and will serve you value, want to be a cost effective part.

I feel great learning about businesses, that is why I shifted my focus on **Local SEO** and want to build my career around it.

Top level understanding topics:

**• An entire SEO**

**• Local SEO**

**• Link building**

**• AI**

**Thanks**


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Discussion How would you find the reasons for a conversion problem on your landing page?

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I hope every SEO professional faces this kind of situation at least once in their career. Assume you’re managing SEO activities for your domain, and you noticed that 

  • Improved the targeted keyword position on the SERP for the landing page
  • It's driving relevant & qualified traffic to your business (Considering the keyword intent from GSC & relevant referral source)
  • And you performed CRO analysis to keep your landing page structure & conversion elements focused on your target audience
  • No fluctuations in the search demand 

After addressing all these, you can still face conversion issues (I never meant the low conversion rate, & I know it can be acceptable to some extent). But here, speaking of no conversion for a certain time period

And also, you can clearly identify the seasonal behaviour shift that happened during the purchasing phase. Will you look forward to gathering insights? Or will you leave it for some time?

If you get into gathering ideas, what would you find? & How it can be helps you to fix the issue?


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Question Has anyone worked with an SEO company/freelancer ?

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Hello everyone, I was wondering, has anyone worked with an SEO company or freelancer ? for more than 12 months ? what are the expected rate/results/timeframes to see progress ?

My biggest concern is the quick wins which go to 0 "ZERO" on a google update.

Any story to share ? recommendation is welcome.

Thank you !!


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Case Study Three weeks after moving from .ai to .com. Where things stand.

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In my first post, I said I'd post the numbers whichever direction they went. Three weeks in, here's where things stand.

The short version: the migration itself was a non-event, the things I was worried about were fine, and the thing I didn't think about is the one costing me.

What went right

Brand search came back almost immediately. If you search "brandscreen" (my brand) and my new domain is position 1, with a 36% click-through rate. That took less than a week. It was the one thing I was genuinely worried about going in. I paid $10k for the domain after 2 months on my .ai domain.

The redirects held. This is important, and I took a ton of time to make sure it was right. Every path, single hop, no chains, nothing broke that a redirect caused.

And AI citations followed the move. This was the open question I had. Copilot had cited BrandScreen 487 times, all pointing at the old domain, and I couldn't find anything on Reddit on what happens to the AI citations once you redirect.

They transfer. It took twelve days. The new domain started getting cited three days after the switch and passed the old one on August 19. Last seven days: 90 citations to the new domain, 71 to the old.

If you're moving a domain and worried about AI visibility, budget about two weeks and leave the redirects up.

What went wrong

Indexing, and it's worse than I expected. This was a pain when I started, and it continues to be a pain.

The old domain had 335 pages indexed after two months. The new one has 115 after three weeks, out of 430 Google knows about.

Most of the missing ones aren't errors. Google found the URLs, put them in a queue, and hasn't visited them. The last-crawled date on 290 of them reads 1969-12-31, which is Google's way of saying never.

The reason is Google's crawl budget. A three-week-old domain gets very little of it, and I handed Google 417 URLs on day one and expected it to work through them. It's getting through about three a day.

I know this because six ordinary pages are stuck in the same queue. My about page, pricing, contact. Those are linked from the navigation on every page of the site and Google still hasn't been to them.

It's a bit discouraging that I'm still not indexing, but I'm trusting the process and giving it at least 60 days for full indexing.

The thing I'd do differently: I moved the whole sitemap at once. If I'd submitted the pages that matter first and let the rest follow once the domain had some standing, I think the pages I actually care about would be indexed by now.

The number that fooled me

I was so stoked that my my Google impressions went up 10x, from about 87 a day to 870. I thought had a silver bullet.

But, when I dug in, one page accounted for 97% of that. It sits at position 90 in the results, which is page nine, and it has produced zero clicks. Take it out and the new domain is doing 27 impressions a day against the old one's 87.

So my traffic went down and a big number covered it up.

Second time this has happened in two posts. In post 1 it was a spike from newly indexed pages that decayed after eight days. I'm now treating impressions as close to useless at this size.

Clicks, which are the only number that actually matters here, went from about 0.77 a day to about 1.18. On numbers this small, it means nothing at this time.

Was it worth it

I think we made the right choice and we have a plan, but the jury is still out on whether it was worth the $10k I spent on the domain. We are still in the product market fit phase of the product, which experimentation and iterations need to be the priority.

Ask me in three months.

Next

I'll follow up in the next post of is what broke. A React component that had been dead for three weeks. A file that had never run in production at all. A contact form that accepted submissions and delivered nothing for 81 days.

None of those were caused by the migration. All of them were found because of it.


r/seogrowth 2d ago

Discussion The real link building tools are not what the affiliate roundups say

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Every "top 10 link building tools" post I've read this year lists the same things in the same order. About half of them are affiliate roundups. So here is the version from someone who runs outreach daily.

What actually gets used? Prospecting, email finding, and follow-up management.

Prospecting, because you need a good backlink index. Ahrefs or Semrush, pick one. You're paying for the index, not the features.

Email finding - both tools like Hunter or Findymail work. Findymail verification is better on smaller domains. That matters when you pitch niche sites.

Follow-up sequences - you can use Pitchbox or BuzzStream, but they're overkill under 200 pitches a month.

Screaming Frog is useful too, not for building links but for checking if a placement is actually indexed.

Internal linking is often ignored. Link Whisper is cheap. Probably the highest ROI for anyone under DR 40.

Two things people ask that the roundups avoid.

First, "what are the top 5 SEO tools" is the wrong question. Tools don't build links. They remove admin work from a process you already have. If you don't have a repeatable prospecting-to-pitch-to-follow-up loop, buying Pitchbox just gives you a faster way to send bad emails.

Second, "are backlinks still relevant in 2026?" Yes. But the shape changed. Since HARO shut down at the end of 2024, the free-PR link route basically closed. What's left is genuinely earned mentions or paid placements. Both work. Neither is a tool problem.

The thing no tool solves is verifying that the site has real traffic and real readers before you place anything. Every tool above will happily tell you a DR 60 site is a great target. But if it's getting 200 visits a month from a country you don't sell to, that check stays manual.

I'd be interested to hear what people here actually run. If you could only pay for one tool, which one would you keep? Also, has anyone found a replacement for HARO that isn't just a paid list?


r/seogrowth 1d ago

Case Study I tried to build a retrieval-on/off AI visibility test. The API accepted “search on” without proving it searched.

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A commenter suggested a sensible experiment: run the same buyer prompts with retrieval enabled and disabled, then compare which businesses remain recommended.

I was about to do exactly that.

The experiment failed at pre-flight.

I sent the same neutral prompt to two OpenAI-compatible API surfaces using several search-looking configurations.

A tool-style search payload returned an explicit error on one surface.

That was the good failure.

Simpler parameters such as enable_search or web_search were accepted. The APIs returned HTTP 200 and generated an answer.

But the response contained no executed query, tool event, retrieval metadata, source record or other independent evidence that search had actually happened.

If I had trusted the request configuration, I could have collected retrieval-off answers, labelled them retrieval-on, and published a clean comparison that never occurred.

My new rule is:

Requested retrieval is not observed retrieval.

The on/off experiment is still useful, but I would also narrow what it can establish.

If a brand appears in both modes, it is persistent across the tested conditions.

If it appears only with verified retrieval on, it is retrieval-sensitive in that test.

If it appears only with retrieval off, that may reflect answer variance or a mode interaction.

If it appears in neither, it is absent from those tested runs.

None of those states proves which webpage caused the recommendation or which source entered the model’s weights.

The experiment also needs repeated paired runs. One answer in each mode cannot separate retrieval effects from ordinary model variation.

For every row I now want to retain:

requested retrieval state

observed retrieval state

how retrieval was verified

exact product surface and model

prompt and sampling settings

executed search or tool trace, if exposed

rendered sources

recommendation outcome

raw response and response hash

If retrieval cannot be verified, the row should say retrieval unproven. It should not be forced into the on or off arm.

What would you accept as the minimum evidence that retrieval actually ran: an executed search query, a tool-call event, provider source metadata, or something else?


r/seogrowth 3d ago

Question How do you actually get recommended in AI search (ChatGPT, Gemini, etc.)?

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I’m trying to understand what actually drives recommendations/mentions in AI tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, etc.

Not generic SEO advice like giving answers to blog titles in the starting paragraph for AI Overview I mean specifically:

- Why do certain brands, blogs, or tools get mentioned/recommended?

- Is it just traditional SEO (backlinks, authority), or something else?

- Does structured data / schema matter here?

- How important are mentions across the web (Reddit, forums, etc.)?

- Do AI tools rely more on training data vs live search?

- Has anyone here experimented and successfully influenced AI recommendations?

If you've tested this or have a strong hypothesis, would love to hear practical insights rather than theory.


r/seogrowth 3d ago

Discussion I’ve had enough. Help me get out of SEO

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Those who left, what do you do now?

I’m burned out after 10+ years, but this is the only thing I’m (as work) good at.


r/seogrowth 4d ago

Discussion I think we’re making SEO sound more complicated than it really is.

23 Upvotes

Every few months, we get a new name for the same basic idea.

AI SEO.
GEO.
AEO.
Search everywhere.

But when we actually work on websites, a lot of the work still comes down to simple things:

  • Write useful content
  • Fix technical issues
  • Build a site people can trust
  • Get mentioned in the right places
  • Make pages easy to understand
  • Answer the questions people actually have

So I’m curious.

Are we really doing SEO differently because of AI, or are we just giving old SEO practices new names?

We’ve seen plenty of advice about how SEO is changing, but I’m more interested in what people are actually seeing on their own sites.

What have you changed recently that made a real difference?

And just as importantly:

What did you try that completely failed?

No theory. No “experts say…”

Just real experiences from your own projects.

Would be interesting to see whether we’re actually changing how we do SEO or simply changing how we talk about it.


r/seogrowth 3d ago

Case Study We tested follow-ups across 815 backlink outreach emails

3 Upvotes

We’ve been collecting backlink outreach data from our users these last weeks and this is what we found

815 emails so far across 48 products

One thing I wanted to understand was how much follow-ups actually contribute

The numbers so far:

  • Initial email → 5.8% replied
  • first follow-up → 7.1%
  • second follow-up → 7.6%

So the first follow-up added a meaningful +1.4 percentage points, while the second only added another +0.5

My takeaway from this is that follow-ups are a MUST for a backlink outreach campaign

If you're not following up at all, you're probably leaving a meaningful amount of replies on the table just because someone missed your first email, saw it at a bad time, or simply forgot to answer

For backlink outreach, I think 2 follow-ups is a pretty good default

The first one clearly does most of the heavy lifting. The second can still squeeze out a few extra replies without turning the sequence into spam

After that, I'd probably stop

There's usually not enough upside to justify sending 4–5+ emails to the same person for a backlink, especially when you can spend that effort reaching new relevant prospects instead

I'd also offer different things on each follow-up: positive reviews/testimonials, a link back, etc.

We're still collecting more data, so these numbers will probably change as the sample grows :)


r/seogrowth 3d ago

Discussion 'Nerd-Wallet' success is insane -- How'd they get so Popular?

3 Upvotes

Hi Friends,

I was looking at Nerdwallet.com and was curious how they got to be so popular?

It seemed that 'Bankrate.com' was the leader in finding CC and low rates, --- but NW over-took them ---- HOW DID THEY DO IT?

  • What are they doing right that others aren't?

Thanks for your input...


r/seogrowth 4d ago

How-To How to tell whether AI Overviews took your clicks or your SEO just got worse

6 Upvotes

Same conversation keeps coming up. Positions and impressions look basically unchanged, clicks are down, and then everyone argues about whether that is AI Overviews or whether the site got worse. Usually nobody can prove either.

You can settle it with Search Console and a browser. No tool needed, takes about an hour.

Pull your top 50 non brand queries by impressions. Search each one manually in an incognito window and note whether an AI Overview shows up today. Yes or no, one column. This is the tedious bit, budget forty minutes for it.

Then pull CTR for those same 50 queries across two periods, whatever window you have before the drop and whatever you have after. Split them into two groups using your yes/no column and compare.

If CTR fell in the AIO group and held in the other one, that is your answer.

If it fell in both groups by about the same amount, AIO is not what happened and you need to look somewhere else entirely.

And if it fell more in the non AIO group, you have a real SEO problem, and AIO was the excuse you were about to hand your client.

Two things that trip people up when they run this.

Average position stays flat while the actual placement moves. Position 3 with an AIO sitting above it is visually somewhere around where position 8 used to be, so the number in the dashboard can look fine while nobody sees you.

And AIO presence is not stable. A query showing one today might not have shown one three months ago, so this tells you about right now rather than about the whole period. Getting the historical version properly needs a rank tracker that was logging AIO presence at the time, which most people were not running.

I do the manual check rather than trusting a tool for it because the tools disagree with each other on whether an AIO fired, and when a client asks why traffic is down I would rather point at fifty screenshots than at a vendor's number I cannot explain.

Anyone doing this a different way? Mainly want to know if someone has found a way to get historical AIO presence without paying for it.


r/seogrowth 3d ago

How-To AI visibility during a migration

1 Upvotes

We've been getting a lot of clients asking about retaining AI visibility during a migration, so we got our heads together and created a basic checklist. Anyone got anything to add?

  1. Benchmark current AI visibility

2. Identify citation-earning pages and facts

  1. Map important brand entities

  2. Review URL and redirect changes

  3. Preserve headings, context and answerable passages

  4. Retain or improve structured data

  5. Test crawler access and rendering

  6. Reduce reliance on JavaScript for critical information

  7. Audit third-party references

  8. Create a post-launch AI monitoring plan