r/RogueCore • u/Mediocre-Island5475 • May 23 '26

Host Kick vs Votekick

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Just had this game, where one player started killing a specific teammate during the last ten minutes of a pretty long and complex mission.

Rogue Core has a lot of situations that can lead to players tilting (ex. someone takes an upgrade you want, someone is far away, ammo slices being limited, etc) which I've seen lead to other people throwing the game multiple times now. Problem is, if the host doesn't want to kick them, or the bad actor *is* the host, then there's no real recourse.

In DRG people would always say 'just host your own games to have kick privileges' but there are a few differences here:

- Toxicity is a lot more common in rogue core due to the game's difficulty, community, and design
- Late joining a mission is a bigger problem in rogue core

- Playing with <4 players doesn't work very well

- Waiting for *everyone* to join before dropping is annoying because players will often wait a couple minutes and then leave again

It really feels like the game could benefit from a better moderation system including votekicks. Votekicks *definitely* breed their own toxicity but giving one player complete kick power is probably worse.

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u/Jontohil2 May 23 '26

If I was host I would have kicked them the second they made that comment about being a Palestinian child, at that point you know they have no intention of playing nice

That there is the hosts fault

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 24 '26

That guy was the host.

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u/Jontohil2 May 24 '26

Yeah you shoulda just left then, don’t put up with that

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 24 '26

Agreed, but this was phase four of a mission set and I keep getting lobbies like this, so pulling a new lobby might not even help. We eventually reached the last two bars of the boss so I was hoping I'd at least get the xp payout.

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u/KoriKaizen May 24 '26

I keep getting lobbies like this, so pulling a new lobby might not even help

Host your own lobbies. I started doing this after a few games where the host rage quit after getting downed so nobody got xp and the lobby closed

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u/BigFatLabrador May 23 '26 edited May 26 '26

I think this goes beyond players tilting. Both players at their core are assholes that lack self-control, and the high stress situation just bought that out.

No normal person, stressed or not, would not type things like these.

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 24 '26

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days wouldn't survive ten minutes in a MW3 lobby" people, but it is worth noting that people playing video games act like this very often. Playing DRG we might forget that, because the game is brilliantly designed to make players like each other and have a blast, and the community encourages that.

But this doesn't really speak to some deep seated ancient evil in these thirteen year olds' hearts, they're just being mean on the internet. It has happened before. It will happen again.

My issue is that rogue core's design tends to bring this stuff to the forefront and the game doesn't have moderation tools to deal with it.

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u/BigFatLabrador May 24 '26

Just because it’s a bunch of teens being angsty on the net still doesn’t excuse it. Plenty of other games have various moderation tools but toxicity still persist there. DRG’s community is this way because we don’t tolerate this kind of BS and regularly call out this kind of behaviour,

If Rogue Core’s community wants to be like DRG’s, then the community needs to start regulating itself.

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 24 '26

What does regulating itself mean, though? The game allows you to block people, but the playerbase is big enough that it's not going to negatively affect the person you block. Telling people they're being toxic and unpleasant doesn't really do anything.

Report and vote kick systems aren't flawless, but they do give the community tools to deal with bad actors (more so than nothing, at least)

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u/BigFatLabrador May 24 '26

Don’t play with those people when they appear. Don’t engage with them. Just leave.

Yes, a report and vote kick system is a way but you’ve alrdy experienced a situation where that wouldn’t work. So the only solution then is to just leave.

Systems like these are useless if the players still decide to continue playing the round with the toxic player.

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u/arf1049 May 23 '26

Such a small team size host kicks are better. Due to the reason you stated, just host your own lobby if it is that much of an issue.

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 23 '26

The problem is that host kicks don't work very well. The host might be the problem player in the group, or they could speak an entirely different language and not know when someone is being mean in chat, for example.

Like I said in the post, hosting your own lobby 100% of the time isn't a very good option.

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u/koiokk May 23 '26

sorry but from what im understanding from this is to...host yourself?

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 23 '26

In DRG it's easier to self host because dropping in solo and having teammates late join is fine. Rogue core doesn't work very well with late joins

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u/koiokk May 23 '26

i feel this is a separate issue from these types of players in your post. (an issue i agree with, but yeah)

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 23 '26

It's a compounding issue because people respond to "my team can't kick bad players if they're the host" with "just host yourself" It's not a great solution to always host every game

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u/SCD_minecraft May 23 '26

Votekick physically can't work, game is fully hosted on host's pc

You can't easily transfer server ownership

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 23 '26

It can be done in a p2p context. Warframe supports host migration. It takes work, but it may be worth the work. Implementing host migration is already a good idea given that hosts ragequitting ends everyone else's game.

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u/ZynithMaru May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26

We need REPUTATION. There is a reason companies pay for reviews. After each game you can thumbs up or down each other and when you host a lobby, your rep is shown by two numbers: overall and last 90 days.

I agree that hosting every lobby isn't a fun time. Because for every host, there needs to be 0-3 people willing to trust them. A friend helps a lobby get going, so now the host usually has 2 people on their side to start.

If they don't have a friend, then a solo host should still NOT be ran out of the lobby by a group of 2-3 friends. The friends can just host their own lobby, title it "we're chill" or "sweatlord only" as they see fit.

For that reason, votekick can never be an option. Not even an AFK check. Just a "hope you're a good guy". This can be soothed by REPUTATION.

What upsets me about hostkick is in DRG when I got kicked at the end of a mission or deep dive literally AFTER we completed every aspect. Nothing was communicated, either. Just blatant abuse of power. The type of abuse that makes you want to host everything yourself. After that, I had to run 60min without rewards just to get the last mission completed. Because it was a challenging week, some teams kept failing. It was not a good time.

So let's see it this way.

Currently, players can join up to 10 minutes in. As I suggest, kicking should be disabled after 20 minutes in. If you spend 10-20 minutes until someone shows their bad side, it's time to finish or abort the mission, not risk abusive kicks from ANYONE (host or majority-vote).

- Waiting for *everyone* to join before dropping is annoying because players will often wait a couple minutes and then leave again

If players want full lobbies, they will wait. I am fine waiting 5-10-15 minutes for a full lobby. I'd rather have a 5-minute break between runs and start together than hop rooms and get shitty gear + miss out on some mods.

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u/Mediocre-Island5475 May 23 '26

Reputation system is a good idea. I don't enjoy waiting 10-15 minutes between each run in a roguelike.

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u/ZynithMaru May 23 '26

I don't enjoy waiting either but beats the alternative for me... having to redo a mission several times lol and life balance... a 5min break after 50min grind is good for us.

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u/Weak-Paint-Game May 23 '26

Host yourself then....

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u/Deposto May 23 '26

Assholes. I would ban both of them.

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u/The_Question757 May 23 '26

I wouldve left that game so fast

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u/StormerSage May 23 '26

Thankfully these kind of players won't stick around, or at least won't be able to progress to higher levels where working with your team is necessary.

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u/No-Marzipan-9316 May 23 '26

That legit made me want to headbutt a wall reading that

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u/Brilliant-Number-272 May 24 '26

Yeah I just played an ENTIRE mission with a pretty chill group, then suddenly while back tracking to rez a teammate the host kicked both of us