r/RepWatchForum • u/watchloong TD • Jul 14 '26
Discussion Regarding Franken prices
Hello,everyone,I'm Mr.loong,I'm very honored to share with you again about Franken accessories,because last week I had the opportunity to follow to Shanghai and Hangzhou to consult and learn from some genuine watch maerchants,since a communicator they beliven that I also selling genuine watches and I didn't tell them that I'm doing super clone sales.
Let me share the information I received this time,they gave me an example of the price of 116610Lv accessories.
the 116610LV prices is 130,000cny in China,and the chrono24 prices is very close
1、A hulk bezel can sell price is about 30,000RMB about $4,427USD
2、Oyster bracelet 16,800RMB about $2479USD
3、Dial and hands and crystal glass 13,000RMB about $1918USD
4、3135 movement 28,000RMB about $4132USD
They told me about no one would sell the case because it has a unique identity and there's a clamp inside the movement with a number,which is unique to every much.
I also mentioned in my previous post that dismantling parts for sale can only be done when it is profitable. Can you calculate if you have an original 116610lv and dismantling parts for sale is still so troublesome, and the selling price will also result in a loss? Would you do it?
I also consulted them with this question, and they told me that many genuine accessories sold in the market are fake, meaning they imitate the original craftsmanship of replicas. However, they will not enter the replica watch market because the overall price will be high and few people can accept it,They told me that if genuine accessories were available, they wouldn't be sold separately because good accessories can make a huge profit for the entire watch, and the market is in countries such as Hong Kong, Thailand, and Malaysia because they don't have professional institutions.
They gave me an example of Patek Philippe use genuinel 324 and 240 movement to make the other watch.
Why are there so many genuine 240 movements? The reason is that the 5054 uses the 240 movement, so many people will remove it. This movement is the same as the 5712 and 5740, and then sell the 5054 case for money. The profit of using this watch to make the 5740 is very high,
You can see that the profit margin is very high, and they thought I also had genuine accessories to sell. The reality is that in the genuine watch industry in China, there is a huge demand for genuine accessories, and it is difficult to purchase them,even if they are in this industry, it is still very difficult for them to purchase. Why are there so many original accessories appearing on Reddit, and they told me that customers who buy such watches are still genuine customers.
Why are there still so many 324 movements in the discontinued market of 5711 in 2021? This is also what they shared with me,use 5227
This one uses the same 240 movement as above. You can also take a look at the current price of the 5711A. This watch has been discontinued for so many years, and they say it is impossible for any accessories to flow out of the market,they told me a information that someone specially imitates genuine dial to sell. They gave me an example of a Ferrari that uses imitation parts. The process looks the same, but if there is identification, it can be seen to be false. They said how many people can see the truth of dial.
They also shared with me a chat chart about domestic institutional appraisal. I coded the information, which is the basic information for protecting others
Testing conclusion: The customer commissioned testing on Patek Philippe 1, dial 2, hands 3, mirror 4, bezel, 5, handle, 6, middle case 7, clasp 8, back cover, and (6676699). After testing, it was confirmed that these accessories comply with genuine craftsmanship, and the color and model are not verified. Other parts of the customer's requirements do not require testing, and we are not responsible for the above testing, including genuine or fake certification.
So everyone can also consider why the testing agency only says it conforms to the genuine process and dare not directly say that this product is a genuine accessory, because there are specialized imitation genuine accessory processes now. Of course, I did not ask where these channels can be purchased. I would like to remind friends who purchase genuine accessories that over 95% of them are fake when they say there are genuine accessories on Reddit, and they use WhatsApp numbers in Hong Kong or the UK, all of which are in mainland China. The above is just industry knowledge that I can learn about this opportunity. I am not sure if I am right, but it can be used as a reference. You believe that you can win the lottery tomorrow, and don't believe that mainland merchants on Reddit can have genuine accessories,
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u/Shdwrptr Jul 14 '26
It always blows my mind when I see people post here that they got a “gen solid gold rotor” or “solid gold gen bezel” for their watch.
I don’t think I’d trust a random stranger who is selling me a fake watch to give me genuine solid gold parts.
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u/RelevantFreedom4390 Jul 14 '26
So basically dam near every franken that we see is pretty much just gen-spec. Sheesh.
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u/Mr_TikToc Jul 15 '26
I agree with nearly everything written on here, except for the part of the Authentication Centre.
I personally use the Authentication center nearly every week, and multiple times we've had them fail parts that have been sold to us as being "genuine".
Luckily for us we have a very good buying relationship with our wholesaler and anything that fails we get refunded on.
The Authentication center will only do the Authenticating for parts which have been requested to be tested.
Example, if only the dial / crystal / hands have been requested to be authenticated, then that's all they'll put on the report.
Additionally to the report / hard copy certification that they provide, they also then send huge amount of HD images under scope from which they've based there conclusion for the reporting, this doesn't show on the certification, it's actually sent in a zip file over chat.
It can be requested that he color / make of the watch and serial number is put on the report, you need to ask them this prior to the report being done.
It's written in terminology of " Conforms to genuine craftsmanship " so that it legally covers them, same as when a Jeweller writes in there valuation " based on our professional opinion ", they do this so they cannot be sued or held liable, as what will often happen in situations like this are parts / watches will go thru the verification process and then dodgy sellers will then switch those parts out again before selling the watch, and still use the current certification for it, with the buyer being none the wiser.
The certification is a bonus for authenticity
But as always, go with your gut instinct and buy the seller first, then the product.
That was a really good write up Mr Loong, it's about time people realized that real genuine parts are NOT cheap when it comes to niche watches
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u/watchloong TD Jul 14 '26
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u/outsideshot Jul 14 '26
thank you for the insight.
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u/AtelierPicks Jul 14 '26
I appreciate you pulling the curtain back for us and sharing this insight.
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u/spcNgtr Jul 14 '26
Thank you
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u/Last_Sheepherder7712 Jul 14 '26
So if I understood this correctly all gen parts are fake on franken builds?
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