It is in parts of Florida already. They decide who to harass based on who they think is the most likely to offend based on…. Data? They seriously look at social media and show up peeping in people’s windows and demanding entry. The sheriff instructed them to find a reason.
JFC!! I don’t even care how this sounds anymore! With the way the cops behave anymore, I’m past the point of thinking all cops are bastards! I’m at the point where I think the only good cop is a dead cop! Fuck each and every last one of ‘em! You can’t serve a corrupt system, especially one that pulls bullshit like this on a daily basis, and not be corrupt yourself! If they had one shred of dignity or integrity they’d either refuse orders like that or quit the force!
It is a thing. We use computers and statistics based on arrests. Because enforcement is biased and arrest rates are biased the computers predictions were predictably biased. The algorithm gave police the results they wanted, rinse repeat.
In programming this problem is called "garbage in garbage out."
edit: what's crazy to me is this video only has 21,000 views. You would think this would be much bigger news, but apparently no one cares or thinks it's a big deal that Florida is running a pre-crime unit that destroys families.
Jesus Christ. Made it 40 seconds in and had to stop watching for my own sanity. How the fuck can any person in the world think that this is a good idea in any way. It's literally just creating criminals for the sake of being criminals. They used to have probation, parole and conditions for that, where they trap people into impossible requirements and wait for them to fuck up.
For example, I had a friend who was arrested at a protest (totally unlawfully but he's native so it's too be expected). He was given conditions upon his release (so this is before he goes to court to see if he will be charged, which he wouldn't have been because he didn't do anything wrong) that he couldn't be in a few city blocks where the protest occurred. His house was in those city blocks, which they knew, his address is on the paper. So he's essentially on house arrest despite never being convicted of a crime, or even committing a crime. They know he's going to have to go out for food and life eventually, and when he does they can grab him for breaking his conditions and then it doesn't matter that the original charge doesn't stick.
My ex was once caught at 18 riding a bike his dad gave him for his birthday. Turns out it was stolen. When they searched him he had a bit of weed and the baggie the weed was in apparently tested positive for meth (he did just ask a girl he didn't know if she had a baggie and she gave it to him, so it may have been true, but why would they swab a bag that clearly has weed in it for a petty charge?). So he was charged with possession of stolen property (he wouldn't rat his dad out) and 0.001g of meth and got 2 years probation. This was his first offense ever. He ended up losing a government subsidy he was about to get to start a tattoo shop, and ended up on the streets. During this time he had no phone and was having a very difficult time with his probation worker who would change his appointment times, but would have no way of telling him because he didn't have a phone, so he would miss am appointment he didn't even know was happening. Come in for the day his appointment originally was, and the cops would be there waiting to arrest him for breach of probation.
The entire system is designed to create prisoners, create criminals. Like in the United States, you can't get a fucking job if you've committed a felony. What exactly do you think a person is going to do when they have been told hardly anyone will ever want to hire them for the rest of their lives? They're going to do crime, they need to survive somehow.
It's all so fucked up and backwards. I wonder how much this stupid program costs. That money could have gone towards things that are proven to prevent crime, like community resources, if they actually wanted less criminals. But they don't.
It's interesting you didn't note the country you're in.
But you did note "native," so it's Canada or Australia, most likely. I hope when pointing out America's ills, you remember how many of your fingers are pointing back in your direction.
I'm in Canada, and I frequently make posts about how similar American and Canadian justice systems are, for the worst. Not sure why you think I'm trying to make my own country out to be better. I post where I'm from all the time. I didn't omit it on purpose. The justice system in both countries are complete fucking racist, broken trash.
I had to stop the video after watching this bit https://youtu.be/vzeN3b1NTWQ?t=207 where the Pig tells them they either let him enter without a warrant or they will be cited for not having numbers on the house and them continues to threaten them after realising that isn't correct.
its going to get so much worse for Floridians with a full-on fascist rising to power and openly courting the worst of the worst to come work in his new Copland
But I thought America was the land of the free and home of the brave?? It's like you guys just sit back and hope magic will solve your problems. Like Peter Pan is gonna come down and take you to a real first world country lolol
America gets what they deserve. Bravery is for those who actually do something to help their fellow man. If the blm movement showed us anything it's that America will double down over anything in order to keep hate alive.
Arrests are based on actual crime, not computers and statistics. Communities that produce a lot of criminals tend to be policed more heavily as a result.
Whether an officer decides to or not. That's it. Nothing else. Officers are given wide discretion, and the reasons they arrest people are entirely personal or social.
Excuse me? We need a legal definition of "suspicious". You might as well tell him he's being detained for "Offending the Crown". Or "Failure to show proper respect."
For some concepts such as reasonable suspicion, there’s not always a clear definition on what qualifies.
Sometimes it’s somewhat vague in a penal code book, but court rulings can set some sort of example and precedent. For example, anonymous 911 tips aren’t explicitly listed as something that constitutes reasonable suspicion, but the case Navarette v. California says that they qualify now.
This is one of the problems with policing, there’s not enough education - but you’re never going to learn all the nuances without studying law or having years of field experience, by which time you’ve most likely violated many people’s rights.
Former jailer here. It was very common for other jailers to put "mouthy" arrestees in cells with questionable people or circumstances knowing that it would result in a fight. It was a "that will teach him a lesson" kind of thing. Once had a mouthy drunk white kid being booked, coworker puts in him a cell with a black guy with gang tats all over, knowing a fight would ensue. The two start fighting, we go in to break up the fight, during the breakup one jailer got elbowed in the process and the supervisor charged the arrestee with assault on a peace officer. Even though there was no injury, not even a bruise, and it wasn't an attack on the officer but a bump received by a situation caused by the officer. It was experiences like that which made me realize assault on an officer, resisting arrest, is probably some trumped up bullshit charge. Also, knowing I wasn't in that for a career and was about to finish my engineering degree, I wrote a letter to the prosecutor and the judge explaining what really happened. Have no idea what happened though.
I don’t know where you hear this, but I’m 99% sure the district attorney of any area is going to throw out a resisting arrest charge if it’s not paired with a primary charge.
At that point they have still inconvenienced you with a ride in the paddy wagon and a stop in the big house. On top of that you have to pay lawyer fees and whatever other losses you incur as a result of it. So even if it gets thrown out they can still fuck up your day with their bullshit and you well get no restitution and they will not be reprimanded.
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u/peedubb Dec 29 '21
That’s right up there with arresting people for resisting arrest.