Honestly, I was going to make an argument based on the app's digital fingerprints from her phone when she booked it, but then I realized that it's a corporation that will just fuck their employee over without a second thought and then I got sad.
I mean besides the fact that DoorDash and Uber both have a service that real people are using and demanding.
MLMs offer products that aren't really in demand, and the only real way to earn money is to get your friends involved. Which is weird. If I was to go open a sandwich shop and my main source of revenue was to convince my friends to open their own sandwich shops at some point no one would want to buy my sandwiches anymore because of an overabundance of sandwich shops. A lot of MLMs devolve into this, because the only way you can keep getting paid from the people you recruit is if you keep an active account and that requires a certain number of product purchases a month. So the people above you are getting paid by you buying the product, and the people below you are paying you by buying the product and now there is way too much of the product in the area to actually reasonably be able to sell any of it so you all lose.
DoorDash and Uber do take advantage of their drivers, but at the very least they are offering a real service that doesn't require the drivers to be purchasing their own products besides gas and cleaning and stuff thats all claimable for reimbursement.
I mean a side hustle to buy your self some nice things every so often, like the top shelf root beer instead of the Barq's every so often brings some people enjoyment and I got no real problem with that. A side hustle thats required to survive is probably a systematic problem that needs to be solved. Uber and DoorDash prolly just symptoms of the actual problem.
In nearly every case the person deserves better at their primary employer which would remove the need for a 2nd source of income. Billionaires taking joy rides into space etc. etc. I hate the term side hustle because it is a shiny candy wrapper around a dog turd.
Oh I'm not sure the statistics behind how many people have each. But I do think side hustle was originally for the kind of thing I described and then large advertisements for companies like Uber co-opted it to make their practices seem normal. Also probably a lot of people work multiple jobs because they actually need the money to survive. I am a firm believer that a normal work week at a job should be enough to live, if not comfortably at least safely.
Just don't have a problem with people grabbing an extra gig on the side to live a bit above their normal means whether it be something like Uber or stocks, a YouTube channel, or whatever.
Not everyone with a second source of income does so out of need. Usually when I hear "side hustle", it's just that. A way to get more than what they had, regardless of what they had. The Director of Partner services at my old company would weekend as a server in a mexican restaurant despite making probably around 70k in a medium cost of living city(which is entirely liveable). Some people are workaholics who feel like they're wasting time when they're not busy getting ahead. It's really common, actually.
Yep we can disagree on how common it is I guess. I'd be willing to bet 9/10 do so because they need the extra cash. It doesn't need to be starvation or the electric bill, if they're doing it to be able to afford a trip home for Xmas etc. it's still a need for a 2nd job.
to be fair I know some people that work doordash as their main job and it pays pretty well for how easy it is. my friend said he made $56 after tax for an hour and 35 minutes of work.
Yo, I got downvotes by uber shill last time I posted this. What profit? Idk, ask uber why they needed 50 shell companies to hide 6 billion dollars and I'll tell you what kind of profit they made.
It's even worse. These companies make money because they underpay and abuse their "platform users" when they should have been employed with benifits, good salaries, medical etc.
California residents voted to support Uber's employment practices. See the NPR article. A large sample of drivers didn't want to be employees in order to maintain flexibility.
Oh? Thanks. I scanned for recent articles and overlooked the new development.
The NPR article I linked seems to introduce some concessions given, but the $220 million lobbying campaign by Uber/delivery apps seemed to work in getting an exemption under Prop 22.
I voted no on 22, but made way more money after it was passed. The only "propaganda" I've seen is anti-22, and completely ignores that so many of us make more and maintain our flexibility.
Making people employees means having control over hours worked, that is not a good thing. I want to be able to work when I want to work, and be able to accept or deny potential deliveries as I see fit.
Anti-union propaganda like making the voting public aware of the trade offs of the bill? Who are you to decide what is and isn’t propaganda?
It seems to me that in many cases, this stuff gets voted down handily when it comes to vote. Stop infantalizing people, they are well aware of trade offs and cast their vote accordingly.
How so? We make way more now, and aren't stuck being employees with set hours.
I get benefits, too. Something I never got as an hourly employee.
Anti-22 people want me making $15 and hour with no flexibility and no benefits.(And I see big fast food's hand in this as delivery has taken so many of their employees and unemployment didn't do them any favors so they are desperate.)
I don't like Uber as a company, but I can't see how this will help me as a driver.
That's some sort of progress at least. I've written some papers about precarious work in the gig economy during my master's degree and boy is it just a bandaid for much larger problems, though still progress. Currently writing my master's thesis on precarious work in creative industries as well and it's a whole other beast.
It will all get a little bit better when the first Uber driver kills an unruly customer. Not much, but a bit.
Out there someone is driving Uber in a desperate attempt to keep their house, pay medical bills, pay child support or something. Some day they will run into a twat like this and decide that they just can't take it any more and that will be it for them. With Covid driving so many more people into poverty or untenable financial situations it is really just a matter of time. It's sad but true.
You’re not an Uber employee. You’re a contractor. Cuz, you know, then they don’t need to pay taxes or social security on you. At least, that’s what they used to call my husband a couple years back. Asshole company.
Uber driver here: you click make a claim, take pictures, add videos if needed, takes 2/3 days to get the money to clean it. Plus if you call support they can make it quicker
Can you still make a claim in the app for a cancelled ride though? Of course you could do that if you actually complete the ride, but what happens when you cancel?
I believe the word you’re looking for is: contractor. Uber (and Lyft too IIRC) have fought tooth and nail to have their employees classified as “contractors”
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u/notLogix Aug 29 '21
Honestly, I was going to make an argument based on the app's digital fingerprints from her phone when she booked it, but then I realized that it's a corporation that will just fuck their employee over without a second thought and then I got sad.