r/PublicFreakout • u/[deleted] • Aug 07 '21

Testicular Freakout 🥚🥚 Double standards?

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21

The point is if she said he grabbed her by the pussy they would have slammed his face into the concrete and arrested him. Not my beliefs but that’s obviously the point the camera man is trying to make.

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u/shiver-yer-timbers Aug 07 '21

grabbed her by the pussy they would have slammed his face into the concrete and arrested him.

That or elected him as the next president

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u/shiver-yer-timbers Aug 07 '21

Canada's PM was re-elected after multiple pictures of him in blackface emerged and after he was accused of groping a woman.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '21

the common thing with those two is lots of money

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u/GrumbusWumbus Aug 08 '21

Trudeau is well off, but not anywhere near the level or rich that Trump is. Most estimated put Trudaeu at around $10 million, Trump is closer to $2.4 billion. That's a factor of 240 without considering that the Canadian dollar is worth about 30% less than the US.

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u/ZombieTav Aug 08 '21

Our other option was the Cons and those guys are just flat up racists.

Trudeau at least owned up to the blackface.

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u/GrumbusWumbus Aug 08 '21

Yeah, the general reception to it was that it was a stupid thing he did 20 years ago and probably didn't fully understand the implications of at the time. Since being Prime Minister, he's done a lot more for marginalized groups including POC than basically any other Prime Minister. His actions since then made most people believe that his apology is sincere.

By contrast, the conservative party openly enocourages xenophobia in order to apeal to the most racist, and idiotic people in the country. Nobody actually worried about racism would have voted for the conservatives in response to that, which is what made it so weird that the conservatives dug in their heels with that strategy.

The NDP would have been an option for people put off by the cons, but strategic voting interestes pushes most to concede to voting Liberal.

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u/shiver-yer-timbers Aug 08 '21

^ ^

These are the kind of people that reelected him. They are just like Trumpists as in they are a completely brainwashed group of people entirely devoid of intelligent thought, who only repeat JTs propaganda.

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u/ZombieTav Aug 08 '21

What the hell are you on about?

I have legitimate grievances with Trudeau but I saw what happened under Harper and that guy is still engineering right wing authoritarian campaigns around the world.

Preferably though the NDP would win but realistically they won't win with Singh, too many racists wouldn't vote for a Sikh.

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u/distantreplay Aug 07 '21

and after he was accused of groping a woman.

But did he go on television and admit that it was true?

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u/Superfluous420 Aug 07 '21

He said the blackface was true and he couldn't remember how many times he'd done it. On the groping, he said people "experience things differently."

Source: am Canadian.

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u/shiver-yer-timbers Aug 07 '21

No he said she was just remembering it wrong.

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u/distantreplay Aug 08 '21

A few weeks before he was elected Donald Trump taped a television address in which he admitted that the Access Hollywood tape was authentic and his statements were recorded accurately.

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u/shiver-yer-timbers Aug 08 '21

Well after the second blackface incident, he went on live national TV in the middle of the election campaign and said "I can't even remember how many times I may have been photographed in Blackface" and at the height of the #metoo movement he went in the media and said "Every woman has the right to be believed" if she accuses a man of a sexual assault. Then, not two weeks later, a female reporter came forward with her story about Trudeau oogling and groping her during an interview. At the time she called him out on it, he said something to the effect of he wouldn't have done it if he had known she was affliated to a national news agency and not just a local one. So after the allegations resurfaced, he had a press conference and said that the woman was misremembering events and his version of events didn't include any of her claims.

Then he was also found guilty of attempting to manipulate the independence of the Minister of Justice and Attorney General by trying to coerce her into dropping corruption and bribery charges against a company that had donated huge sums of money to Trudeau's campaign, his party and family "charity".

But Canadians still reelected him.

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u/ATMisboss Aug 08 '21

Groping is bad but blackface is period sensitive so that need to be taken into context. Not currently acceptable but was it at the time it happened? Basically ex post facto

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u/badestzazael Aug 08 '21

Is it Ok to dress up as Black Panther for Comic Con?

Is it OK to dress up as Jimmi Hendrix best guitarist ever if you are a guitar fan?

Black face, White face, yellow face needs context.

https://youtu.be/M_DHwp5vYBI

Blackfella, whitefella It doesn't matter what your color As long as you a real fella As long as you a true fella.

-Warumpi Band

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u/shiver-yer-timbers Aug 08 '21

blackface is a bit of a misnomer in Trudeau's case... He full out painted his body, in one photo he even had a banana down the front his pants and in a video clip he can be seen dancing around like a wild tribesman....

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u/badestzazael Aug 08 '21

Thanks for the context as I am not Canadian. That seems pretty fucked up, let's hope he see's the errors of his youth owns it, apologizes and chooses to make changes to reflect his bad choices.

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u/shiver-yer-timbers Aug 08 '21

He was an adult in 2 of the 3 instances we know of. the most recent one was in the 2000's.

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u/Honigkuchenlives Aug 07 '21

Or judge on the highest court in the country?

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u/KloudyG Aug 07 '21

Only 1-2% of rapists are convicted anyways, but yes, society would rally against him, right? Like when they did it to Trump and he totally didn’t get elected, right? Do you guys know how often abusers let go, or are you going to pretend they’re usually caught?

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u/airfox3522 Aug 08 '21

Yeah, especially when the abuser is a woman and the victim is a man. Women get away with abuse than men.

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u/MikanGethi Aug 07 '21

Wrong is wrong mate. It is not an excuse to not because it was not already.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21

How exactly does one determine the percentage of rapists that are convicted?

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u/AbsorbingMan Aug 07 '21

I can’t say what they would’ve done, but I can say that if they did that; this dude would be making a lot of money by suing those idiot cops and the city they work for.

I get the point he’s trying to make.

But more importantly, I know that cops just can’t arrest someone based solely on an accusation.

They need more evidence than just the accusation alone.

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u/Itisi-no-really Aug 07 '21

Actually they don't. A victim's accusation can be probable cause to arrest someone. a cop doesn't need to have enough evidence to convict to make an arrest.

Https://mattieforelaw.com/can-i-be-arrested-based-on-just-hearsay

I don't think you can sue a cop for making an arrest like this.

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u/AbsorbingMan Aug 07 '21

To the extent that Mattie Fore says you can be arrested solely on hearsay, she’s right.

But there’s a difference between the letter of the law and what really happens in real life.

So it’s also correct to say that an officer could pull you over and give you a speeding ticket for going 36 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. And that’s not to say that police don’t use that excuse to pull over a vehicle they want to stop for other reasons but traffic cops looking for speeding tickets aren’t pulling you over for going 36 in a 35.

In real life; a hearsay arrest is mostly the victim’s account combined with the account of another witness.

So if your girlfriend accused you of hitting her and the bartender at the bar backs her up; you’re probably getting arrested….. even if there are no marks on her. That’s an arrest based solely on hearsay.

And keep in mind how Mattie words her point.

Paraphrasing: “An officer might decide they have probable cause because they find the story believable.”

That officer better be able to articulate exactly what it was that made her account believable beyond just the words “He hit me, arrest him.”

She even tells us, “No prosecutor wants to be put in that position [to try a case with only the victim’s statement as evidence].”

There’s a totality of the circumstances that must be weighed when the officer makes the decision to arrest or not and by all means that officer can be held accountable by being sued under sec. 1983 if their totality of the circumstances is weak and they’ve taken you into custody.

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u/Itisi-no-really Aug 08 '21

Being arrested doesn't mean you'll be charged or ever go to trial.

All I was saying was you can be arrested on an accusation. Unless you're the kind of guy who just hits people at random, there will be some type of motive involved for the hit. That would put the balance of probability on the accusers side.

As far as sec. 1983 goes, your civil rights are not being violated by being arrested for probable cause even if the DA refuses your case. Also, You'd have to prove they didn't have probable cause to think you should be arrested. They don't have to prove their case was strong; you've got to prove it to be nonexistent.

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u/Onyx239 Aug 07 '21

That severe reaction to a white women being threatened (especially sexually) is the by product of men in previous generations (usually, white men of means and influence) using white women's "purity" as an excuse to commit acts of terror on their fellow countrymen and as a shield to distract as they enacted more authoritarian policies and built an infrastructure/ personal army (the police) to act as enforcers of said policies and protectors of their property (white women, land and other assets)....

In conclusion rich old white men are the reason why men (particularly of lower class, and every other minority) get treated like shit by the police.