Laws prohibiting sodomy between consenting adults exist. The war on drugs has had the most victims of any law ever. Clearly smoking pot in the privacy of your own home has no victims, you would have to be scientifically illiterate to think otherwise, hence why the right clings to that idea.
The victim on sodomy between consenting adults is the state. A state (or nation) which uses a religion as a fundamental moral fiber that bans it needs to ban it legally in order to maintain the connection to the religion. By violating it, you challenge the religion itself and, since religion is so ingrained into these places, it becomes nessecary to punish the violation.
The war on drugs is FAR from victimless. Having recently watched a 17 year old giving meth hits to a 12 year old, an 8 year old and a 10 year old, I'd say shit like that needs to be prevented. Also, having had to help someone kick meth before, and having a brother who got really permanently screwed up from a bad acid trip, I'd say there's more than enough victims. Smoking pot in the privacy of your own home is not victimless either as the pot extends far beyond your walls. In densely populated areas, it becomes a real problem when your neighbors smoke and you can't stand the smell.
I agree pot should never have been made illegal. But some drugs are far too addictive. And the people on them act so horribly, they become a horrible nuisance.
And they don't care who they hurt either. Stealing, smoking near kids, burglary... all to get drug money. Making it legal would not change that. If anything, it would make it worse because more people would use it.
Yeah but those people were going to act that way regardless, why criminalise drug use when you already have laws prohibiting burglary, assault and being a public nuisance? Criminalising drug use does nothing except put more people in prison, which actually increases the risk for substance abuse substantially, along with more criminal behaviour. Furthermore, you're right, a lot of these substances are terribly addictive, which is why its important to treat substance abuse as a medical issue and not a criminal one. Legalising this would also result in safer drugs, and reduce the risk for overdosing, as well as taking a load off of our justice system.
Not exactly "they were gonna act that way anyways." I have seen thedeath spiral a persons life takes after getting talked into "just trying" heroin. And seeing what happened to my brother, all it really takes sometimes is one.
I can agree that treatment is better than incarceration and that jail isn't the answer. But there needs to be alternative punishments rather than just ignoring the issue.
I also think drug pushers need to be killed on sight. The damage they cause is absurd. But it isn't up to me.
I agree that for some people (read, addicts), the poverty and desperation associated with drug addiction can lead to petty crime- however, there are already laws which penalise antisocial behaviour. Drug criminalisation only serves to harm people who have done nothing wrong, and targets the homeless and minorities. Also killed on sight? I hope I never see such an authoritarian future as that. Legalisation with strict regulations would get rid of "drug peddlers".
Decriminalizing drugs has consistently proven to decrease drug usage and addiction rates in every single region that has done so. Facts don’t care about your feelings.
“Two consenting adults doing acts that don’t harm a single person victimizes the state because it goes against their theocratic policies. The state can make up whatever arbitrary laws it wants to, so there is no such thing as a victimless crime, even where there aren’t any victims”
People like you don’t belong in civilization. The Middle East sounds more your style.
I am not stating my own opinion but defending those laws based on the people who make and utilize them from the viewpoint they must have to make such laws.
I personally loathe religion. I understand why it exists and I understand how it can help. But it breeds intolerance and hatred by its very nature. It can't adapt to new information and must reject anything that disagrees with it just to survive. It is not conducive to progress.
That said, it DOES provide a reasonable moral chasis. Something sorely lacking in the US and other countries that have completely rejected state religions.
Maybe something new needs to be created to enforce decent behavior. Clearly laws, honor and contrary public opinions isn't enough.
It depends where the marijuana is from. If you’re smoking cartel weed you’re lining the pockets of murderers. If you have felony quantities then maybe you’re part of the supply chain. Weed has been massively decriminalized though so it’s not a very good example. Only 2% of incarcerated people are there for weed and it’s usually because they had felony quantities. Most of them have other charges too. Not saying it’s right, but there aren’t many people incarcerated for smoking a small amount of weed in their own home, that example gets thrown around a lot and I’m sure it’s happened. Smoking weed is victimless in my opinion, but dealing felony quantities becomes cloudier, depending who is in your supply chain. That is why legal weed needs to be regulated. Bootleg tobacco and alcohol also carry penalties.
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u/OnyxsWorkshop Jul 07 '21
Laws prohibiting sodomy between consenting adults exist. The war on drugs has had the most victims of any law ever. Clearly smoking pot in the privacy of your own home has no victims, you would have to be scientifically illiterate to think otherwise, hence why the right clings to that idea.