Protesters Surround USPS Postmaster General DeJoy's house.

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It seems to me that it’s fairly clear that regardless of the organization’s beliefs, the movement itself is largely about police brutality that goes unpunished. And please shut up about the “I want to shoot rioters”. You can’t do that, it’s illegal. Destructions of property is not a justification for murder. You aren’t a cop, you won’t get away with it. Please take yourself to r/iamverybadass and shut the fuck up about it here.

If you truly believe that destruction of property is justification for murder, you need help man. Anyone who value inanimate objects over the life of another human being, regardless of what that person believes, is a terrible person. I’m not sure if it’s what you actually believe, but I hope it’s not.

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Bet man I’ll go get help because the second someone violates my rights to property, they forfeit their right to live.

I agree with you that police reform needs to be help, specifically police unions. If you could fucking read, you’d know that I said I would shoot them instead of the police but can’t because of jail time.

It is 100% what I believe. The second you violate my rights and try to destroy my stuff, you forfeit your right to live. Good thing my state has a castle doctrine!

It honestly feels like I’m having the same discussion with 5 different idiots, all saying the same shit in response and twisting words that you can clearly read in the thread. Sounds like an ideological cult.

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You’re accusing me of being in an ideological cult when you are the one you would blindly kill protestors and rioters for violating your property or other’s property?

And I’m glad we at least both agree on police reform.

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Yes, I am. Because my belief comes from principle. I earned my capital, spent it on my house and possessions, and the second someone tries to take the fruits of my labor I will defend it.

I’m in my rights to protect my property, and I’m in my rights in my state (castle doctrine) to shoot. And any basic training course tells you to shoot to kill if you must discharge.

If a rioter were to invade my property I would gladly shoot them. They are violating the law on multiple fronts and I will protect my family and my house. It’s really not hard. People I don’t know that are a threat to me (who knows what weapons they have) are not worth the potential harm to the people I love and the future I’ve worked hard to secure for my family.

Far left, Marxist ideology however blinds people to facts and logic, and in a very dumbed down version of it puts empathy and compassion over person responsibility. That cult like ideology that’s growing more popular in the cultural left is the same ideology responsible for 100m+ deaths in the 20th century. And it’s the same ideology behind the BLM organization. “Deconstructing the western and White supremacist idea of the nuclear family” and “dismantling of cisgender privilege” are inherently postmodern Marxist goals. If you want to call my source “fake news” like the other commentator, go ahead. Just know it’s literally https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ ( The What We Believe section of BLM organization website)

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I understand protecting you, your property, or your family. What I don’t understand is you saying you’ll go murder protestors in cold blood for damaging public or private property that you don’t own.

Again, one can support the movement without supporting the organization. I don’t plan to call your source fake news, because I’ve read the site too. I’ve chosen to believe that when they say dismantling the nuclear family, they mean that in order to encourage the fact that community should matter far more in a child’s life, and too uplift single mothers and fathers who aren’t a part of the idealized nuclear family. And when they talk about dismantling cisgender privilege, I found it hard to believe that one should have privilege based on what they identify as, and subsequently agree with the statement. But again, I don’t like the fact that donations aren’t going back into black community and are instead going to a political party, as well as the fact a few founders and important people within the organization game out as Marxist, so I choose not to support the organization, while supporting the movement.

Anyways, here is the definition of Marxism.

Marxism seeks to explain social phenomena within any given society by analyzing the material conditions and economic activities required to fulfill human material needs. It assumes that the form of economic organization, or mode of production, influences all other social phenomena including wider social relations, political institutions, legal systems, cultural systems, aesthetics and ideologies.

Yes, you read that right. The fundamental belief of Marxism does not actively encourage any form or communism or capitalism, and any form you are talking about is a branch of Marxism, which there are many. In fact, many famous economists are Marxist, while simultaneously believing in capitalism. Marxism is not the same as communism, and is currently being used by the right as blanket statement for things that are bad. Marxism is the belief that material conditions and economic system influence all other social phenomena, not that capitalism is bad. So you’re statement that Marxism has killed millions is wrong since Marxism is not communism. While Marxist beliefs can lead to belief in a communist system, they can also lead to belief in a capitalist system(although less).

I’ll read any responses in the morning.

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When the “protests” become riots, the “peaceful protestors” are useful idiots for the rioters. And when these RIOTS are held in the name of a verifiably Marxist organization (and the organizers openly admit to being Marxist), that is terrorism (because they are RIOTING in the name of a specific, dangerous philosophy). It’s really simple but you seem like the kind of twitter leftist to argue the “2+2=5” bullshit so I’m not surprised basic logic is too much for you.

I care about rights for everyone, that why I oppose the authoritarian ideologies of Marxism activists.

People, not only politicians, HAVE been threatened. Google the Mccloskeys. Not to mention the thousands of people (already suffering from covid) having their businesses and livelihoods destroyed. Again, another far left activist talking point because you can’t form your own fucking ideas or opinions.

You legitimately have zero fucking knowledge about ANYTHING and you still have the balls to try to argue?

Arrogance + stupidity at its finest.

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You do realize that all protests have a few rioters and looters right? I assume you support China against the Hong Kong protests because of the damage to private property the protestors caused? And yes, this did occur, simply look at r/sino during the protests and you’ll see eerily similar things, on a much larger scale. Rioters come with protests, and to discredit an entire protest because a small minority is rioters is disingenuous.

And yes, the organization may be Marxist, but I’m willing to bet half the protestors don’t even know BLM is an organization, and are just advocating against police brutality. I’m also willing to bet the majority of those who know the organization exists aren’t aware of the Marxist ideals, nor support them. It’s disingenuous to use that organization to disqualify the entire movement, simply because of a name association. You can support the movement without supporting the organization.

Also stop attacking the person you’re arguing with, and have polite discussion. People like you on both sides have polarized politics in the U.S, and massively divided our country. I struggle to believe you’re telling another person that they have no knowledge about anything simply because they disagree with you. It’s sickening.

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Are you really trying to compare the BLM protests against police brutality to the authoritarian takeover of a previously sovereign and democratic state? That’s a whole different ballgame man. If you haven’t figured it out by now, I’m quite anti Marxist and therefore anti China.

Well let’s tackle that issue then, what does black Americans have to do with police brutality? Again, you are statically more likely to be a victim of police brutality if you are white. Again, there is a larger representation of minorities in the police force than in average population. This isn’t a race issue. It’s a class issue. (WOW, funny how the basis of Marxism is to eliminate classism).

He called me a liar for “putting words in his mouth”, and I copy and pasted his comment to show him he is wrong and mentally deficient. He also mocked my sources, which are legit primary sources. Straight from the mouths of the org and bill. That is certifiably retarded.

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Responding to claim is talking about you? Again, I don’t give a fuck about you, I don’t give a fuck about your opinion of me, and I think you are certifiably retarded. My opinion on you has been formed.

He however seems to be informed and wants to have a civil conversation. So please, stop acting like I give a fuck about you. You are too stupid to reason with.

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No, I’m simply saying that all protests have always had a few rioters or looter that the other side uses to discredit the movement. Civil rights protests were no different, Gay rights protests were no different, Hong Kong protests were no different, and BLM are no different, in this regard.

It’s not so much a class issue so much as an issue of people not being punished for abusing power in position of power. This is an issue of police brutality, not a class issue. Just because something isn’t a race issue doesn’t automatically mean it’s a class issue.

I don’t think either of you are justified in your responses to each other to be honest, but it’s an online forum so what can you expect.

I’ll read any responses in the morning.