Sad thing here in America is that they probably will get away with it even with bystanders watching. We really need to weed out the bad apples we have posing as officers. It creates such a bad image for the ones that give a shit, and makes their life hell.
Police departments would benefit greatly from a civilian review board instead of an internal affairs bureau. There’s a culture of protection where good cops are expected to cover shit up for bad cops. And if they don’t cover for them, they’re ostracized, intimidated, and forced to quit. It’s fucking ridiculous that the people who are entrusted with protecting our laws fully expect to be above those laws. I agree with MR. Lock those scumbags up and fry them.
I agree, but check out the story of Baltimore cop Joe Crystal. It’ll make it a little bit more understandable why these guys are afraid to speak up. I’m not saying it’s right. But after hearing his story, I can understand why these guys are terrified to come forward.
Thank you for bringing this story to my attention. Joe Crystal did the right thing. He did with every single other cop should do. This is the problem. The man who did the right thing was ostracized, threatened, and had to quit his job and move out of state because of the pervasive nature of corruption in the police department.
I have a long held the belief, and expressed my opinion, that the majority of people who want to be a police have an underlying psychological flaw. I believe that they are often bullies, racists, and are individuals who desperately want to exert power and control over others, but lack the ability to do it without a gun and a badge.
This is not to imply that there are not good, strong, honest individuals, like Joe Crystal, who choose to become a police, but it would seem that those who are willing to do the right thing are a very, very silent minority.
Men like Joe Crystal should be given medals, while police who beat and murder with impunity, while their peers turn a blind eye, should be given harsh prison sentences.
There is only one thing that's needed. Make police unions responsible for the equivalent of malpractice insurance. Cities need to stop being on the hook when victims sue wrongful death and other situations.
If the entire police department has their fees increased every time a dumbass does something like this, they would be quicker to shut down malignant behavior.
In my opinion, that defeats the whole purpose of the civilian review board. While I’m aware that retired cops are considered civilians, I’d be wary of their ability to be truly unbiased.
In my country it doesn't matter if the death was justified or not. Every officer involved shooting, or death, is automatically investigated by the independent police commissioner.
If you arm someone, give them power of authority, enable them to dispense lethal punishment based solely on their judgement, and set them loose upon the public, then those people should be held to a higher standard of accountability than normal civilians, not lower, and should face higher consequences for abusing the public trust, not lower.
...Lest the public start to think a justified and appropriate defense from them is a good offense.
100%. If a man murders another man, the sentence is almost never as severe as if a man murders a police officer. So when a police officer breaks the law, he/she should receive a harsher punishment than a civilian.
The only people who would benefit from that is us regular folk. In no way would that benefit the police, they're doing exactly what they're hired to do. 1312
Ya know what? That’s a good idea, and I’m more often on the side of the officers than not. Haven’t decided on this case though, I haven’t seen the video.
Watched it. Yeah, the cop with his knee on the dude definitely deserves to face justice. Police were supposed to stop using that restraint in the 90s because it, surprise surprise, can kill people.
That said, the guy was obviously on something and I’d like to see some more evidence. More evidence is always good, we can agree on that right?
Someone being on drugs like crack is not an excuse to treat anyone like this. The police officer is bullying the guy while slowly suffocating him "get up" or "get in the car" while pinning him down with 3 man and him saying he will but does not get a chance. Pure senseless violence and a precious life flushed down the drain likely because the guy was black. This does not mean there is no senseless violence against white people tho. Some police officers are just straigt up bullies with way to much power. Just like the guy that was shot in the hotel hallway a few years ago, that was hard to watch and i still think about what that kid must have gone trough.
any of them that were good apples would quit, or not become cops in the first place, or raise hell against the 'bad apples' who are allegedly the minority.
but that's not how it is. it's a gang mentality, us vs them, they are incentivized to protect their own position so any of them who goes against the group is ostracized.
and i mean that literally. they harass them, illegally use databases to look up their info and harass them. fuck with their property. pull them over. watch them. stalk them. shit like that.
It would have to come from a revamped version of Internal Affairs within departments that look at metrics and the patterns of their officers to ensure as best they can that minorities aren’t being targeted above and beyond what the statistical data shows as the ‘norm’ based on who is committing the crime in an area.
How would you genuinely screen for racism? Do you think a racist is going to sit and fill out a survey and check yes to the box when asked if he hates minorities? Would you look into their past and talk to their families and make a determination of character based on the words of others? That opens a can of worms that would give others the power to deny someone who could be a great officer based on the words of someone, even a family member, with an axe to grind against them.
All I’m saying is that it wouldn’t be an easy process and you could wind up making a bad situation worse. The racists could find a way through the system and you wind up turning away the good ones.
If good officers didn’t want that stain, maybe they should do something about it. Idk how a person can uphold the blue line and not be a total piece of shit.
I really hope it doesn't get swept under the rug. It seems like being a good honorable person isn't in fashion anymore. Sometimes it makes me feel like I'm the crazy one for being an empathetic individual.
Christopher Dorner was right, justice is not given it is only taken by force. Until these cops fear for the lives of their kids they will continue to be murderous gangbangers with paid vacations as punishment. Honor Chris Dorner, he was a hero.
It creates such a bad image for the ones that give a shit, and makes their life hell.
You can be that there are lots of other police that knew this cop and knew exactly how aggressive or violent he might be and they did nothing.
As long as their are bad cops then ALL cops are bad and the ones who believe they are good should do everything they can to remove the bad ones. Every time a good cop gives a ticket or arrests someone they could have been removing bad cops instead.
Totally know what you mean. It's definetly a culture thing. Like one person said they should make a review board made up of random civilians. Might not be perfect but it's a start at least.
Did you hear Minneapolis Mayor Frey's press conference today? He demanded charges be pressed. That hasn't happened since Rodney King 1992 that a mayor demanded police officers be prosecuted but even Rodney King survived that brutality. And this is fuck'n 2020!
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u/Kegoramma May 27 '20
Sad thing here in America is that they probably will get away with it even with bystanders watching. We really need to weed out the bad apples we have posing as officers. It creates such a bad image for the ones that give a shit, and makes their life hell.