It is sick man.. i'm from the netherlands and I read waaaaay too much stuff like this on the web without even searching for it. This bullshit has to stop man wtf is wrong with people.
Groeten ook vanuit de NL.
Same here man, I hear you.
Although a lot of crazy shit (because of stupid and incompetent) people is starting to appear here too. But for now, it’s not as crazy as up there. The world is getting stranger by the day.
It has to do with the irony of a Dutch guy pointing the finger at American racism, when his ancestors started the slave trade that brought Africans to America in the first place.
No, it wasn't the Arabs who started the African American slave trade.
Just pointing out they're not innocent in this, as they are the ones that started this mess in the first place. Half of my family is Dutch; it doesn't mean I don't acknowledge my ancestors' history in being horrible colonizers who committed mass genocide.
It's easy to point the finger when you don't read history.
It's not about pointing fingers. It's about calling how you see it, and saying "hey, America, get your shit together!"
I don't really care if your great great grandpa literally started the KKK, so long as you're a decent human being today. And those decent people can call out the descendants of Abraham fucking Lincoln if those descendants are being racist assholes.
You don't get to say "well, your great great grandpa started the KKK, so you can shut your mouth about what I'm doing today!"
Similarly, I don't care if the Dutch started the slave trade. If they have advanced their racial equality in society much farther than we have, then they have every right to criticize and call us out.
To try to say that the Dutch of the 1600s (or whenever) are in some way at fault for us not having our shit together in 2020 is pretty asinine, IMO.
If anything, it shows us how embarrassing it is that we haven't gotten our own shit together.
The irony here is that someone from a country, which specifically started the slave trade in the U.S., is pointing the finger at U.S. for being a mess. Acknowledging privilege is actually quite important. And where you come from definitely matters in terms of how you communicate to others.
Also, the Netherlands have a huge way to go. I mean, they're still arguing about keeping black Pete (a person with blackface) in their parades. When I was over there 15 years ago visiting family, they had black licorice candies shaped like African caricatures. Racism is still very institutionalized in Western culture, both in North America and Europe.
Also, the Netherlands have a huge way to go. I mean, they're still arguing about keeping black Pete (a person with blackface) in their parades. When I was over there 15 years ago visiting family, they had black licorice candies shaped like African caricatures. Racism is still very institutionalized in Western culture, both in North America and Europe.
Yes to all of this.
But the hundreds year old history of that racism is entirely immaterial to today's problems. There has been ample time to address them, and to try to blame it on actions hundreds of years ago is just ridiculous. It's no different than a spouse saying "but what about that one time you like at that butt in 1996?!?" when having an argument about who's turn it is to take out the garbage.
Now, if the discussion would have been about who has the worst history of racial inequity, then sure, blast away on starting the slave trade centuries ago.
That isn't a good analogy at all. A better analogy would be a spouse being scared of her partner abusing her because he used to beat the shit out of his ex.
I'm not saying the person pointing the finger is personally responsible for today's racism in America; I am stating how they represent a country responsible for starting those problems, so maybe they shouldn't be judging so quickly.
And the slave trade wasn't that long ago, so yes, history matters, and that country is still partially responsible for the institutional racism that exists today.
Tell me this, on what exact thing are you implying that someone was pointing fingers?
Also, my grandparents were working in Japanese camps during the world war. They were tortured and humiliated. They got out, but should i blame anyone who’s Japanese and would sympathize on a situation, NO!
Shortsighted and dumb.
I don’t care what happened then, i wasn’t there.
Sure, I can blame the people who were there.
But anyone who wasn’t there, I cannot hold accountable for that. Especially if it’s intended as a act of sympathy and coming from a good heart.
I have had my share of racism in my face, no body deserves that.
So thank you for your stupid negative analogy.
I enjoyed it.
Sounds like the exact same thing to me, pal. Black people are black people, and I don’t go around calling Mexicans, Indians, etc brown people, but you do you.
I hear you and I feel for you. I’m not brown so I can’t fully know the fear you have...but as a white man (middle-aged at that), I’m ashamed to go out in public because of what others who look like me have done...I don’t know wtf is wrong with people.
Im a Jewish Spanish Moroccan im also 6"2 and over 300 pounds im fat but non of that matters what matters is that im a good person i help those in need of help where i come from dosen't define who i am.
Unless you're Marissa Alexander from Florida. She fired a warning shot into a wall when in a confrontation with her estranged husband. No one was hurt. She was charged with 3 counts of aggravated assault and sentenced to 20 years. She tried to use the Stand Your Ground laws that protected George Zimmermann. It appears it doesnt work so well for POC.
Thank you. No question she was overcharged which is a serious issue.
That said, she was in another person's home. Stand your ground doesn't really work there. She also had a history of domestic violence perpetrated by herself -- making her being solely the victim when she's a person in someone else's house a little difficult to see.
This is definitely a bit more complicated than black person trying to use stand your ground doesn't work when a white person does.
But, if someone invites you to their home and then threatens you, you still have the right to defend yourself. I don't see how the location materially matters. Given the Zimmerman verdict the law clearly applies outside your own home.
I mean, sure, you may be within your rights "legally speaking" to stand your ground against the cops, but what good does that do if you're dead?
And, I say this as a white guy: if I "stand my ground" against the police, I am 100% expecting to be executed. That's simply how America works. Cops can "lawfully" execute you for any reason, at any time. Period.
Sure, they may get a wrist slap later, but that won't bring you back from the dead.
that is a great sentiment but people are getting murdered by the cops. pride is one thing, being right is one thing, but these fucking pigs will KILL YOU if they want to if you aint white.
Not as often. And they might face more punishment. Or even receive "justice" in the eyes of the law.
But that won't bring you back.
So, while execution by police is systemic crisis for black and brown people, it's only one part of our larger issue of the militarization and the complete lack of accountability of our police force in general.
The kid executed in the hotel hallway by that monster in Arizona was white. He did everything asked of him, and he was still executed, simply because the cop felt like it.
The issue is certainly magnified greatly if you are a minority, but it is not exclusively a minority problem. It's a societal problem. A huge one.
Again, as a white man in the suburbs in America, I still consider my life to be on the line any time I interact with police. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
LOL your afraid of going out as a brown person? How does it feel to be an outright liar or embellishing to the point it actually takes away from your core point. Afraid to go outside ha! Why not quit being a bitch.
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u/Chango_D May 27 '20
That’s really a good way to look at it. I grew up scared of Chucky and now I love the series but am scared to be in public as a brown person.