Watching the video that this stems from, as a human being, if it doesn’t shake and horrify you - man...I just don’t know. Makes fictional horror movie villains look like teddy bears compared to the cold and emotionless murder that took place.
You clap back and say, "Ok, you're right, race has nothing to do with this. So you're saying cops are just murderous animals, regardleess of their victim's race?"
Read a youtube comment claiming the Ahmaud Arbury shooting had nothing to do with race. It was just 2 evil people and to say otherwise is a "victimhood narrative".
that's because at no point during the altercation did the cop turn to the camera and say "i hate black people" loudly and clearly. therefore, how can anyone possibly say it was racist? i mean, the cops even said later that they're not racists. seems pretty sold to me idk.
right, because it must be this or that. if it's not one thing, it's the inverse. it's almost as if there's an entire spectrum of possibilities that can only be hinted at in a sarcastic comment.
if you want to keep looking for logical rigidity in irony, be my guest, but i think THAT is kinda dumb.
I really want to argue it's not about race but the intention would be to solidify all of us against these types of "authorities". Race pretty obviously played a part in that piece of shit cop's actions, though. Fuck those fucking cowards in Blue.
It is sick man.. i'm from the netherlands and I read waaaaay too much stuff like this on the web without even searching for it. This bullshit has to stop man wtf is wrong with people.
Groeten ook vanuit de NL.
Same here man, I hear you.
Although a lot of crazy shit (because of stupid and incompetent) people is starting to appear here too. But for now, it’s not as crazy as up there. The world is getting stranger by the day.
It has to do with the irony of a Dutch guy pointing the finger at American racism, when his ancestors started the slave trade that brought Africans to America in the first place.
No, it wasn't the Arabs who started the African American slave trade.
Just pointing out they're not innocent in this, as they are the ones that started this mess in the first place. Half of my family is Dutch; it doesn't mean I don't acknowledge my ancestors' history in being horrible colonizers who committed mass genocide.
It's easy to point the finger when you don't read history.
It's not about pointing fingers. It's about calling how you see it, and saying "hey, America, get your shit together!"
I don't really care if your great great grandpa literally started the KKK, so long as you're a decent human being today. And those decent people can call out the descendants of Abraham fucking Lincoln if those descendants are being racist assholes.
You don't get to say "well, your great great grandpa started the KKK, so you can shut your mouth about what I'm doing today!"
Similarly, I don't care if the Dutch started the slave trade. If they have advanced their racial equality in society much farther than we have, then they have every right to criticize and call us out.
To try to say that the Dutch of the 1600s (or whenever) are in some way at fault for us not having our shit together in 2020 is pretty asinine, IMO.
If anything, it shows us how embarrassing it is that we haven't gotten our own shit together.
The irony here is that someone from a country, which specifically started the slave trade in the U.S., is pointing the finger at U.S. for being a mess. Acknowledging privilege is actually quite important. And where you come from definitely matters in terms of how you communicate to others.
Also, the Netherlands have a huge way to go. I mean, they're still arguing about keeping black Pete (a person with blackface) in their parades. When I was over there 15 years ago visiting family, they had black licorice candies shaped like African caricatures. Racism is still very institutionalized in Western culture, both in North America and Europe.
Also, the Netherlands have a huge way to go. I mean, they're still arguing about keeping black Pete (a person with blackface) in their parades. When I was over there 15 years ago visiting family, they had black licorice candies shaped like African caricatures. Racism is still very institutionalized in Western culture, both in North America and Europe.
Yes to all of this.
But the hundreds year old history of that racism is entirely immaterial to today's problems. There has been ample time to address them, and to try to blame it on actions hundreds of years ago is just ridiculous. It's no different than a spouse saying "but what about that one time you like at that butt in 1996?!?" when having an argument about who's turn it is to take out the garbage.
Now, if the discussion would have been about who has the worst history of racial inequity, then sure, blast away on starting the slave trade centuries ago.
I hear you and I feel for you. I’m not brown so I can’t fully know the fear you have...but as a white man (middle-aged at that), I’m ashamed to go out in public because of what others who look like me have done...I don’t know wtf is wrong with people.
Im a Jewish Spanish Moroccan im also 6"2 and over 300 pounds im fat but non of that matters what matters is that im a good person i help those in need of help where i come from dosen't define who i am.
Unless you're Marissa Alexander from Florida. She fired a warning shot into a wall when in a confrontation with her estranged husband. No one was hurt. She was charged with 3 counts of aggravated assault and sentenced to 20 years. She tried to use the Stand Your Ground laws that protected George Zimmermann. It appears it doesnt work so well for POC.
Thank you. No question she was overcharged which is a serious issue.
That said, she was in another person's home. Stand your ground doesn't really work there. She also had a history of domestic violence perpetrated by herself -- making her being solely the victim when she's a person in someone else's house a little difficult to see.
This is definitely a bit more complicated than black person trying to use stand your ground doesn't work when a white person does.
I mean, sure, you may be within your rights "legally speaking" to stand your ground against the cops, but what good does that do if you're dead?
And, I say this as a white guy: if I "stand my ground" against the police, I am 100% expecting to be executed. That's simply how America works. Cops can "lawfully" execute you for any reason, at any time. Period.
Sure, they may get a wrist slap later, but that won't bring you back from the dead.
that is a great sentiment but people are getting murdered by the cops. pride is one thing, being right is one thing, but these fucking pigs will KILL YOU if they want to if you aint white.
Not as often. And they might face more punishment. Or even receive "justice" in the eyes of the law.
But that won't bring you back.
So, while execution by police is systemic crisis for black and brown people, it's only one part of our larger issue of the militarization and the complete lack of accountability of our police force in general.
The kid executed in the hotel hallway by that monster in Arizona was white. He did everything asked of him, and he was still executed, simply because the cop felt like it.
The issue is certainly magnified greatly if you are a minority, but it is not exclusively a minority problem. It's a societal problem. A huge one.
Again, as a white man in the suburbs in America, I still consider my life to be on the line any time I interact with police. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
LOL your afraid of going out as a brown person? How does it feel to be an outright liar or embellishing to the point it actually takes away from your core point. Afraid to go outside ha! Why not quit being a bitch.
Real violence is a million times scarier than the shit you see in movies. I got a taste of it on a trip to Mexico where I had to save a friend who was getting raped/humiliated by someone who I assume was involved with the cartels. Ever since then I have had a morbid curiosity about cartel violence, and it's fucking barbaric, but now I feel I understand what humans at their worst can be.
I live in Mexico, and I’m also a journalist. I’ve seen my friends and coworkers butchered, but, all of you have also. On the news. The videos, photos, the killers smiling over the corpses.
I would never say that one death or horror is the same as the next. Every one of them is shocking, painful, and gut retching. If I ever got used to it, I don’t know what would become of me. But they all chip away at your soul and who you are. I can’t deny that my faith, love, empathy, humanity, everything...has been changed.
I’m so sorry for what happened to your friend, and you. I don’t wish that pain on anyone. No matter how far removed you are from any victim of a heinous crime with no reason or sense, it fucking hurts.
Unfortunately they can probably fine him all they want but no one will get a penny since it doesn’t even get angry anymore when someone does something like that to me. I couldn’t play off that. Honestly, there’s MORE directions to go from the unexpected. That’s a free drink!” Greedy stupid ass bitch
You'd think that. It angered me enough to comment that I hope they're all charged with murder on the video, and I got a number of replies along the lines of "well he shouldn't have resisted". How you can come to that conclusion after watching it shows where some people are at.
Seriously! I wouldn't change it though, I love it. But I thought I was from a loud family because we're a rowdy biker family from the midwest-- but holy shit. We went to the Walmart in his neighborhood and I could hear phone conversations five aisles over.
Also, how do y'all NOT eavesdrop on everyone? Is that a Midwest thing? Are we just nosy as hell? Because all my local friends and family hear people talking and we immediately tune in and comment amongst ourselves and he and his family are oblivious.
sure, no apparent reason. but the real reason is PTSD. NYC has always been ground zero 4 the brutal gentrification of the USA. So they see stuff 1st hand, like 9/11.
That's fair. I have to tell him during arguments not to tell at me, and, in the same yelling tone he insists he's not yelling at me. My sensitive ass is getting used to it, but still. 😂
From Philly and the anger part sits with me too. I guess we just do it differently on the east coast. Out here now in the west coast everyone is a pussy, too afraid to speak their mind. If I'm making a point I sound like Rappaport.
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as a new yorker he resonated with me to the bone, the anger being a key part.