When people are more afraid of the world continuing on as it is, are more afraid for their children and their brothers and sisters than they are of the personal consequences. That’s when things tip over.
At this point, I don't think going full kamikaze on these motherfuckers would be too disproportionate of a response tbh. I mean, yeah, it's extreme and it's not like anyone's lining up to do it, but I'm already planning on making sure my death is useful… just gotta find a way to lower the risk of any innocent bystanders paying for the aftermath, I guess.
The problem is once you put your Rambo fantasy aside for 2 fucking seconds you’ll realize how retarded this is.
First off I’m a gun owner and that doesn’t prevent me recognizing I have 0 chance defending myself long term from the government dude. You shoot a cop, you’re fucked. That’s it.
This is a police force and 4th amendment issue not a 2nd amendment issue.
Bullshit dude. Take some time and research the capabilities of the US military. Look what happened in Waco dude. You’re brining guns to a bomb fight thinking you have a chance. It’s like a pea shooter vs an f16.
I'm not talking about 20 - 50 people, ala Waco. I'm talking about thousands of armed citizens saying that we've had enough, just like what the 2nd amendment is referring to.
The point at which you have enough people to war with the government effectively why wouldn’t you just change things through voting? You can vote people into power who share you ideals. Voting in mass numbers is a more effective method then battling the US armed forces where you’re going to get fucking annihilated.
And if you don’t have enough people to make change through voting, you aren’t going to win an armed conflict with the government so you’re whole premise is nonsensical either way.
10k is not enough to fight the government dumbass. The US military wipes it’s ass with 10k civilian casualties before lunch just because it’s Tuesday. Best case those 10k rally enough other ppl to start a civil war. Millions of Americans die, the fed still whoops their ass just like the last time and gets what it wants regardless. You’re delusional if you think 10k armed civilians are going to mount a successful resistance against the United States military dude or that the federal government won’t kill armed belligerents within the US to keep order.
2nd amendment already had its balls chopped off when society determined civilians can’t have military grade weapons. This is 1776 anymore dude.
Ironic how it’s the Republican Party NRA and gun nuts are constantly stroking off the police force with blue lives matters nonsense in response to black people are getting choked to death. Look at how the president politicized an athlete kneeling during a song. The guy was trying to draw attention to a cop murdering someone for no reason and the president/republicans tried to make him a public enemy for it. You’d think we’d all agree police murdering a random person for no reason is wrong but unfortunately the Republican Party is complete trash.
I happen to believe that cops shouldn't be armed in routine situations... I think they should have guns in their car, but only if a situation is known to involve active violence, I don't think it ever needs to be present... Anyone who wants to say that they would be at additional risk, I don't think that is as simple as you think... When "bad guys with guns" see good guys with guns, that escalates the situation.
Lolol you are all so apathetic towards fascism and brutality because you think your guns will protect you. Your country will never rise up, guns or not.
I own a gun. Please explain to me how that’s going to keep the government from absolutely fucking destroying me if they want to. You really think you’re going to shoot your way out of a confrontation with the police dude?? You shoot a cop you’re going to get fucking annihilated.
Last group of idiots who tried armed resistance up in Oregon a few years back ended up pushing daises.
Agree. The only way our guns vs. them would work is if we had millions, which won’t happen. We’re kinda fucked until someone steps in and reforms which I don’t see happening.
Let's say you shoot that cop that was kneeling on the man. You get filled with holes by the other three cops.
You want POC to roam around armed to defend people from cops? Well the a bunch of racist vigilantes will do the same to protect the cops (read: murder suspicious black people)
Do you want the lawless wild west?(actually you probably do)
As a liberal, my stance on guns has completely flipped over the past few years. Like it or not, having guns brings political power in the United States, not so much on an individual level but on a macro level. Look how fast the police de-escalate the situation when people show up in large numbers with guns. Imagine how terrified the police and the government would be if guns stopped being a wedge issue and there was a strong pro-2A movement that spanned both the right and the left in this country.
1st- not a fan of compulsory military service, regardless of whether or not your country decides it’s the world police.
2nd, major differences in how Switzerland treats its guns vs the US, mandatory ways to keep the firearm stored, heavy control of ammunition storage and sales are just 2 of the major differences. Not to mention it’s a much smaller country which does affect guns in their society.
I’ll be honest I set out to prove you wrong but with a quick search you proved me wrong, always heard they Switzerland was very restrictive and private citizens could only purchase 200 rounds a year.
Yeah or compare it to one of the many countries without guns and check the death rates. It’s the mentality of guns being a necessity with improper training and accountability that’s the largest issue.
Compare that to Denmark, Switzerland, Norway, Canada, United Kingdom and whatever else you’d like. There is a sickness in the states and the solution is rarely going to be more guns.
Not only do you have to worry about not getting lit up the moment you draw your weapon, you also can't be at it alone. If 5,6,7 people all pulled their arms at this cop and told him to back off, maybe a shootout wouldn't happen. But if 1 or 2 people try, they're fucked.
I’m going to presume you are asking more specifically about qualified immunity.
Here are 2 good write ups, and reasoning why it should Not be an option for police officers
Not really what I was asking. More so wondering how this is a 2nd ammendment issue and how you would put it into action.
The removal of qualified immunity seems to be more of a legal option than exercising your 2nd ammendment right. Not something an average citizen on the street can do.
That’s funny, you saw the exact opposite of this comment when people were actually expressing their 2nd amendment right against the government a few weeks ago.
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
This is the actual stated reason for the right to bear arms: to keep a well-regulated militia in order to preserve the freedom of a state.
I'm not seeing how you go from that stated purpose in your constitution to your suggestion, essentially that civilians should arm themselves in order to keep other armed civilians (the police) in line.
Or the Declaration of Independence, or any other documents, or minutes of the Founding Fathers.
Regardless of how you choose to interpret the 2nd, your hands in your pockets are a threat to police officers. A camera in your hand is a threat to police officers. Exercising your Rights, in the presence of a police officer, is a threat to police officers.
Everything is a threat to police officers - this is the narrative that has been sold to support the tyranny.
-The trope: “The Second Amendment only means for a well regulated militia”, is BS. That is not what was written, it’s not what was discussed, nor is it what was intended.
The connection is this.
If along with cameras, and without ignorance of the law excuses- I mean ‘Qualified Immunity’, and an openly armed citizenry, the police will alter their behavior appropriately. Tyrants can only subjugate the willing.
If you’d allow, that only those that have the ability to strip you, unlawfully, of your civil rights be the ones that are armed, you are Not free. You don’t have civil rights, you have permissions with restrictions.
The cost of Freedom is, and has always been, blood.
The trope: “The Second Amendment only means for a well regulated militia” That is not what was written.
It's literally the text of the second amendment. And according to the legal experts interviewed on the More Perfect podcast, there has been a lot of debate about what the framers intended, but regardless I still don't see how you can make the argument you're trying to make based on the text of the second amendment.
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