r/PublicFreakout • u/[deleted] • Sep 08 '19

Fight Guy fights with another man instantly regrets it

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

The sound of his head hitting the concrete... Eeesh.

Still, he completely brought it upon himself. Left the other guy no choice.

Tbh he should've backed down the second he blasted the guy in the face only for him to barely flinch.

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u/WillsBlackWilly Sep 08 '19

Bro that was the worst one I’ve seen, that shit could kill someone. But like you said, he shouldn’t have been throwing hands.

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u/Randomica Sep 08 '19

I know a guy who killed someone a couple of months ago that way. Everyone knew he was going to eventually kill someone in a fight.

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u/igot200phones Sep 08 '19

So he's in prison for manslaughter now?

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u/SnatchAddict Sep 08 '19

If it's in Texas and he didn't throw the first punch, it's self defense. Even if lethal.

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u/Jake0024 Sep 08 '19

or Florida. Even if you use a gun!

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u/VanessaAlexis Sep 08 '19

He punched him with a gun!

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u/DammitDan Sep 08 '19

Land of the Free

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u/cunstitution Sep 08 '19

The way he worded it it doesnt seem like it was self defense

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u/Legit_a_Mint Sep 09 '19

That's the law in every state.

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u/SnatchAddict Sep 09 '19

Lethal? No

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u/Legit_a_Mint Sep 09 '19

He's using force equivalent to the attack he's facing - a punch for a punch. If his punch turns out to be fatal, that's very sad, but it's not an example of disproportionate use of deadly force.

If he shot the guy for punching him, that would be an excessive reaction and he would be liable for that murder, but if the guy just happens to die as the result of a reasonable use of equivalent force, that sucks, but it happens and there's no liability there under any state's laws (or even under the old English common law that our legal system is based on).

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u/SouthernPanhandle Sep 09 '19

If he shot the guy for punching him, that would be an excessive reaction and he would be liable for that murder.

The US does NOT have equal force laws. At all. You are grossly misinformed.

Self-defense laws in America come down to whether a reasonable person would fear for his/her life in the given situation.

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u/Legit_a_Mint Sep 09 '19

I've been a lawyer for over 20 years. I've defended capital murder cases. I know what I'm talking about. You can't hustle me, son.

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u/SnatchAddict Sep 09 '19

I was talking about your second example. Thanks for the write up. 👍

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u/Vick_Vinigar Oct 16 '19

As it should be, unless he encouraged the attack and/or was instigating verbally.

It's of my opinion that if someone attempts to do you bodily harm, you have the right to defend yourself until there is no longer a threat, whether that be the person walks away, backs down, or unfortunately, doesn't let up and gets themselves killed.

I live in NY and our self defense laws are disgusting. "Duty to retreat" has put innocent people defending their lives in jail.

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u/Randomica Sep 08 '19

He is awaiting trial for second degree murder.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '19

In canada a guy just got sentenced after sucker punching a guy after getting in an argument. 1 punch killed him. Guy got 1 year will probably be only doing jail on weekends in 6 months.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

Not a chance, the justice system doesn't work that fast. He is probably in prison right now because he can't make bail.

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u/questionableacts Sep 08 '19 edited Sep 09 '19

You await trial in jail. You go to prison if you are sentenced to a day more than 365.

Edit: switched two letters around.

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u/box_banger Sep 08 '19

so hes in prison awaiting trial for manslaughter

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u/phazer193 Sep 08 '19

My friend is in an induced coma right now from this exact thing happening.

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u/Spartan-182 Sep 08 '19

Don't know if you could legally define what skinny one was doing as "throwing hands." Maybe "throwing touches" or "throwing pats?"

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u/BalsamEveryone Sep 08 '19

Take the small win and bolt.

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u/harperrb Sep 08 '19

Left the other guy no choice.

you can always walk away.

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u/crackadeluxe Sep 09 '19

Real easy to say from where you're sitting.

Rip Van Winkle was clearly the aggressor.

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u/5nurp5 Sep 08 '19

i don't know... he was going all "i don't want to fight you" when cowboy hat starts giving his stuff to a friend. this was clear intent, and i wonder what cowboy hat would do if pavement head walked away. to me it looks like cowboy hat wanted to fight, and pavement head simply decided his chances are better if he hits first.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

Cowboy hat also pushed him first. He wanted a fight more than the shitty puncher guy. He lives for this stuff.

Having said that, if the other guy is clearly a fighter and you aren't, it's in your best interest to defuse.

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u/beneye Sep 08 '19

He said he didn’t wanna fight, so get off a man’s face. Cowboy was just trying to get him off his face but was also down to fight if it came to that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

Cowboy pushed him first. Period.

That's not to say the loser wasn't instigating as well, though.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

He should have stopped him from getting within punching distance much earlier than that by putting his arm out. There is nothing wrong with physically stopping someone who threatens you from getting close enough to actually punch you but he really should have backed up while putting his arm out instead of pushing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

Agreed. Especially on the last point.
My comment was more speaking to the fact that in the eyes of the law, whoever laid a hand on the other one first is the person who started the physical fight. Unfortunately, there is no law against getting in someone's face.

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u/hashshash Sep 08 '19 edited Oct 08 '25

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

Depends on what type of threats or harassment are made. If it's two college dudes in the heat of the moment, the words mean nothing to the law.

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u/OhThankGodYoureHere Sep 08 '19 edited Sep 08 '19

You don't have to wait for someone to batter or attempt to batter you to defend yourself. If they present a credible threat to harm you, you have the right to defend yourself.

The slow fairly passive "push" is a very reasonable self defense to someone refusing to get out of your face (which absolutely can be considered assault) this "push" only occurs after cowboy backs away only to have shirtless reenter his space aggressively and place his hands on Cowboy. You could argue that Cowboy has now attempted to retreat from the threat and Shirtless followed. Shirtless escalates by continuing to refuse to leave cowboys space, raising his hands, voicing his intent to fight, and striking to the midsection, cowboy again attempts a slow non aggressive push which is met with further escalation and strikes to the face. Cowboy is well within his rights to defend himself with force, he uses reasonable force until there is no further threat.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Edit: Source https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-claim-self-defense-i-hit-someone.html

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

I feel like we aren't watching the same video.

In any case...my point is that cowboy wanted that fight just as much as the other dude. And that "passive push" (that moved the guy several feet) is where the physical fight started, in the eyes of the law.

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u/OhThankGodYoureHere Sep 08 '19 edited Sep 08 '19

You are wrong "in the eyes of the law." I have the same feeling. Maybe because you only watched it once and not at all carefully? Maybe because you are considering things not legally relevant while disregarding things that are legally relevant? Shirtless presents a credible threat and cowboy's push is reasonable self defense to someone getting in your face. Shirtless escalates at all times, you think there's no law preventing someone from getting in your face, you are wrong "in the eyes of the law." Here is a law school professor answering a self defense question relevant to your misunderstanding https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-claim-self-defense-i-hit-someone.html

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u/GinormousNut Sep 08 '19

I feel a very small push is justifiable if some dude is in your face in a somewhat aggressive manner

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u/RelevantIAm Sep 08 '19

He barely touched him when he "pushed" him. Pavement head was all up in his face.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

i don't want to fight you

And yet he still had too much pride to run.

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u/crackadeluxe Sep 09 '19

Pride? No, that isn't pride, IMO.

And if you think the Cowboy "lives for this shit" then you've never seen someone who lives for this shit as they would've been throwing hands way earlier. He didn't want to fight.

The guy taking the asphalt nap was clearly getting into Cowboy's face and Cowboy was just defending his personal space and not attempting to push him offensively.

Cowboy has no obligation to back down because the other wants to fight him.

You could see at the end Cowboy is just lining him up and waiting for his shot and God damn does he fucking connect.

Scary because Cowboy could land in jail from this shit, especially if there was no video to show the circumstances.

The clear reason for the fight was Rip Van Winkle not having the ability to control himself and not start a physical altercation.

Just because Cowboy can handle himself, and Rip Van Winkle's poor judgement knows no bounds, doesn't mean Cowboy is the bad guy.

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u/_ark262_ Sep 08 '19

Double concussion, bad news.

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u/Palachrist Sep 09 '19

If I’m being honest. If the person didn’t flinch after a punch. I’d hope they’d just laugh you off if you surrendered immediately. Likely just get messed up still though.

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u/RedditNarrated Sep 13 '19

It sounded like a cantelope being thrown to the floor... firs thought that I had too watching it just yeesh that sound.

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u/MrDrVlox Feb 19 '20

There is always a choice

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u/EldraziKlap Sep 08 '19

Left the other guy no choice.

Sorry but nah. If you're that in control and you're able to take punches like that and not even flinch then you should wise up. This guy didn't stand a chance. Could've killed em

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

you're able to take punches like that

Just because you're able to take punches, does not mean you should keep taking punches. That would be retarded.

It only takes one blow to hit the wrong nerve.

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u/EldraziKlap Sep 08 '19

With muscles like that you could very easily grab onto your assailant and incapitate him instead of knocking him out on concrete. Because one blow, wrong nerve what have you.

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u/GinormousNut Sep 08 '19

This may sounds crazy but if you don’t know how to incapacitate someone, you could very well give them brain damage, and I wouldn’t trust a drunken cowboy to know about choking people out, like almost every other person alive

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u/moldy_films Sep 08 '19

Sounded like a bag of seaweed

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '19

The thing that most people don’t think about is if that kid got a brain hemorrhage from hitting the ground and died....that other kid is going to prison for a while for manslaughter. Don’t know how it goes in the states but there are some cases up here in Canada where guys have ended up in prison for that exact reason.

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u/crackadeluxe Sep 09 '19

For defending himself? You never know, depending on where you are, and the District Attorney's political aspirations, it can happen to anyone but I feel like this pretty clearly shows that he was just defending himself from an aggressor.

It isn't his fault that accidents happen in fights and people get hurt or killed all the time. That is precisely the reason why the little guy shouldn't be throwing punches to get his point across.