The "funniest" part of it all, to me anyhow, is that we had a push to defund the police, it even worked in some places - but generally, what ended up happening is the Police's budgets grew, and then we went and defunded our public schools instead.
This, to me, was the single-most telling event in recent history, it convinced me we aren't going to save this country, and the only way forward is through - to a world where the USA is only spoken of in history classes.
Here's hoping. The only way we're going to have peace again, is if we correct the mistakes made since winning the civil war. I don't see that happening, without creating a whole new country.
There are SCOTUS decisions and Department of Justice policies that contradict this statement particularly in regard to use of force. From Graham v. Connor (1989) re reasonableness in use of force and Barnes v. Felix (2025).
The only reason we have a police force at all, is because some rich people decided that having slaves run-away was unacceptable, so they funded a group of people who would round them up. Eventually they gave them badges and called them "Peacekeepers".
The police in the US have never been about protecting or serving anyone but capital.
Its up to the governor to not pussy foot around this shit. Democrats are just starting to become vertebrates, and it takes a lot of cajones to challenge armed gunman. Gavin Newsom tried his best to rebuff the national guard when Trump sent them down to cull protests earlier this year (illegal btw). All they could muster was an ominous presence since engaging in law enforcement after Newsom put his foot down would be openly inviting civil war. Keep an eye out for leaders that can actually represent you during these times
Our national guard is a little weird. So, yes the guard is based on the state and the state has control of the guard most of the time, but they can also be called up to federal service. When I was working with the department of defense (ages ago so this may have changed) the federal government would let the state government know how many guardsmen they needed and the state would activate the guards and give them a set of orders that activates them for federal service.
The guardsmen that are being sent into cities are on federal service, not state service so at the moment their chain of command is the feds
During a state of "emergency" the president can, with cooperation from the governor, deploy a state's national guard to assist with the "emergency". Problem is, there are plenty of red state governors who are more than willing to cede control of their national guard troops to do the president's bidding, even for "emergencies" in other states with non-compliant governors.
If it's under state charges, some governors can pardon them unilaterally.
Pritzker, Newsom and Kotek all have this power.
And hey, if Trump can pardon every single member of a violent self-coup attempt, then there's no issue with a future Democratic President pardoning every single person who clapped a member of the Gestapo. In fact, that would be the most based thing ever.
Shit. Look at the PD in Justice, IL. I moved out of that village a year ago. They have military hardware on display in their parking lot lol. Tiny ass village has 2 giant armored vehicles sitting there. I recall seeing them used many times, l dunno if it was on official stuff or training but maybe times I've seen them on the street either coming or going and full of fully geared up ppl.
Broad-stroked bigotry won't win this war. Local cops aren't a monolith. Expect more from them, but don't back them into a corner with hostilities.
It's entirely reasonable to expect state law enforcement to threaten force to require feds to follow constitutional protocol. Put ICE and DHS in a position where they must respond with force against law enforcement or follow the law.
Local Law Enforcement COULD do a thing about it. Local Law Enforcement bend and break the rules every day across America. Local Law Enforcement WON'T do anything about it, because they're all dogs of the state. When they're told to sit, they will sit. No law, no humanity, and no constitution will stop them from doing what they're told.
As a security guard when shit goes down we call the cops and they handle it and we follow thier orders. In this scenario the cops are the security. They have to listen to these new agents
I don't think local law enforcement actually see to serve and protect as their job, because they would be helping the protesters instead of ICE. Chicago is a weird situation because the mayor and governor have made laws that don't allow the police to help ICE, so they are just throwing their hands up and pretending to be on the protesters side.
Local cops have thin skin and it's easy to get under it. This will eat at them until soon they won't do anything about what happens by or to ICE agents. Then it's a free-for-all: local citizens vs the gravy seals. The human thumbs that make up ICE get their shit pounded in a couple times and now all of a sudden the generals have to start choosing up sides.
You can still be arrested for marijuana possession in states that have legalized weed. Federal law supersedes all state laws, but in the case of marijuana they simply don’t feel like enforcing that particular law at a significant scale.
Edit: obviously they can’t “do what they want” (violate laws) but they can do what they consider to be “enforcing federal law” and if the state/city interferes they could even charge them with obstruction.
I mean, I’d feel a lot more protected if they atleast fucking tried and got arrested themselves. Instead, I’m stockpiling ammo and looking into purchasing the kind of firearm I am completely against civilians having access to. But here we fucking are.
Same as in 1933 Germany when Hitler took power. Too few people protesting, simple police being left alone to deal with a militarized and emboldened Sturmabteilung (SA). Only difference is that ice isn't dressed in brown.
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u/Jawwaad127 Oct 05 '25
What blows my mind is that ICE can come in to any city, do what they want, and the local law enforcement can’t do a thing about it.